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For Buck by Jody January 22, 2012 11:39 am

Your post is essentially a discussion on the merits of a single payer system, which of course has its pros ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-22 17:04:13
- Buck, there may be people with a different approach to these issues. Imagine a dear, sweet person who approaches ... by bowser 2012-01-23 00:51:04
  - Buck, there may be people with a different approach to these issues. Imagine a dear, sweet person who approaches these ... by Jody 2012-01-23 11:27:15
    - And, of course, my mother wears Army boots. Actually, neither one is true. My mother does not wear Army boots, ... by bowser 2012-01-23 14:42:00
      - True enough. I don't understand your insatiable need for a pissin' contest. I am dear and sweet. P.S. My mother did wear ... by Jody 2012-01-23 18:08:33
  - Heh. Yeah, I can imagine that. by TB 2012-01-23 09:17:55
- Who's going to be paying the new taxes? Think hard and be very specific. by TB 2012-01-22 22:00:11
  - Everyone who works and pays taxes now. by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-23 13:06:49
  - Those who can afford to, TB. Compare someone with huge mansions and someone without health insurance and tell me ... by bowser 2012-01-22 23:28:39
    - That's what I figured. by TB 2012-01-23 09:03:05
      - You are absolutely correct. Screw them. Nobody is "earning" an obscene amount of money. A janitor is ... by bowser 2012-01-23 18:37:38
        
        "The United States was a powerful country" by TB 2012-01-23 19:27:38
        
        Your first question was who was to pay for health insurance for the needy. Be specific you said. ... by bowser 2012-01-24 00:52:54
- Actually Buck...I get it. I always got it. Where I come from is I simply don't believe it. I have trust ... by Jody 2012-01-22 17:36:04
  - The most obvious model to compare is the public school one. No one who sends their kids to public ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-22 18:32:30
    - This is your government education system. by TB 2012-01-22 22:07:28
      - Private schools not in your graph? I wonder why? They cost more per student than public schools. But we were originally ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-23 13:02:22
        
        Public schools average about $12,700 per student. by TB 2012-01-23 15:57:01
        
        More... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-23 13:10:17
        
        That second chart should have raised your eyebrows. by TB 2012-01-23 15:29:32
        
        It's pretty cut and dry as far as Medicare being more efficient. 5% spent on administering the program, 95% ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-24 00:17:08
        
        Fantastic!! However, there is no such thing as Obamacare. by bowser 2012-01-24 00:53:41

Can America survive without a middle class? by bowser January 23, 2012 12:23 am

Hey Bowz....we already ARE a banana republic, run by monied interests and backed up by private military. You know that ... by Lindy 2012-01-23 11:57:01
- These folks remind me of someone who has jumped off the 20th floor of a building. Passing the 5th ... by bowser 2012-01-23 17:24:04
  - Got it, like watching the republican debates...I'll bet Tom was playing with himself... by Lindy 2012-01-23 21:32:59

How conservatives appeal to the middle class to work against itself. by bowser January 20, 2012 10:49 am

It’s the economy stupid by RobVG 2012-01-20 13:57:20
- That, Rob, is as impressive an example of what I just described as I could have created. "Thought about it, started ... by bowser 2012-01-20 14:19:29
  - Any time...n/t by RobVG 2012-01-20 14:59:51
There's a lot of truth there. And let's not forget the influence of culture, either. Our upbringing and ... by ER 2012-01-20 11:43:18
I don't speak for anyone other than myself, so this opinion is just about as subjective as Salvador Dali's critique ... by Jody 2012-01-20 11:31:40
- You are typical of conservative middle class folks. A misunderstanding of issues and solutions is clear in your posts. ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-20 13:31:45
  - Buck...get ready to hit the floor again...5 second rule does not apply. I see you as a dreamer. You actually ... by Jody 2012-01-20 15:06:56
    - Jody, this is really really sad. You just can't wrap your brain around the FACT that modestly higher taxes ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-20 15:41:26
      - Thank you Buck for your usual irasciblation. Did you miss your caffeine window again? As Tom so calmly pointed out...I, too will ... by Jody 2012-01-21 09:43:37
        
        EVERYONE, PLEASE ADDRESS ONLY MY POINT: Very simply, if we have a single payer system Jody will not ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-21 16:24:26
      - Facts are immaterial, everyone believes what they want to believe by FrankC 2012-01-20 18:54:56
      - When I'm 65 I won't have a choice. by TB 2012-01-20 17:33:58
        
        Where does your health care come from now? As an unemployed or contract employed man do you pay for ... by bowser 2012-01-20 19:14:01
  - Didn't shock me. by TB 2012-01-20 14:09:54
    - That is exactly how I feel Tom. Buck!!! Now get up off that floor soldier! by Jody 2012-01-20 14:50:58
    - As someone who gets his medical needs taken care of for free, I don't mind paying my share in taxes ... by ER 2012-01-20 14:46:00
      - "As someone who gets his medical needs taken care of for free, I don’t mind paying my share in taxes ... by TB 2012-01-20 16:50:06
        
        I don't qualify for Medicare, my wife does. She goes to the same doctor we went to when I ... by ER 2012-01-20 17:37:33
        
        The entire fundamental premise of social spending is about a large majority helping out a small minority. by TB 2012-01-20 18:10:47
        
        The same premise is true for insurance premiums. Doh! by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-22 16:53:57
        
        Tom, its not my problem. by ER 2012-01-20 19:16:57
        
        And I guessed you missed the part about people who CAN'T afford alternatives, and the little bit about a social ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-20 17:02:41
        
        The "social contract" is already pretty damn healthy. by TB 2012-01-20 17:57:16
        
        To have a chance at real success in this world, you need a college degree. It is a necessity, ... by ER 2012-01-20 17:52:51
      - Bravo! (see comment) by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-20 15:43:44
      - When is government hand outs enough for you? Where do we draw the line? by Jody 2012-01-20 15:08:43
        
        You might have noticed it will never be enough. by TB 2012-01-20 18:03:05
        
        We draw the line where those whose parents couldn't afford to send them to school have to work all their ... by ER 2012-01-20 15:22:14
Oooh, now try this one! by TB 2012-01-20 11:28:00
Republicans have long used wedge issues to distract voters away from their anti-middle class economic policies. by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-20 11:15:55
- Yep. The nation is besieiged with crisis, foreign and domestic, and they worry about gay marriage and prayer in ... by ER 2012-01-20 12:03:31
  - The author points out that conservatives are erasing the entire 20th century. Which, by the way, is when America ... by bowser 2012-01-20 14:12:05
  - Yep. That was what 2010 was all about. Gay marriage and prayer in the schools. by TB 2012-01-20 13:13:54
    - TB, you have this impressive way of saying "That's wrong" and believing it. Now tell me that gay marriage, ... by bowser 2012-01-20 14:15:43
      - Apparently I wasn't specific enough. by TB 2012-01-20 16:42:28
  - I know Conservatives appear to be stuffed olives, but they do not speak for everyone. Conservatives think they preserve. Democrats think they ... by Jody 2012-01-20 12:09:25

Why a conservative can win. by bowser January 17, 2012 12:45 am

I love how you and ER will go on the attack and then turn around adding a qualifier here ... by RobVG 2012-01-21 16:28:40
- I can't help it, Rob. Politeness is in my genes, goes to the very heart of my being. ... by bowser 2012-01-21 17:00:05
  - Seriously, that was good for a laugh, Thanks. Have a good day at work. by RobVG 2012-01-21 17:12:51
    - Thank you. I enjoyed it. GTG, have a wild and riotous Saturday evening. by bowser 2012-01-21 17:24:56
      - My Saturday evening has turned into a real blast...Ma plugged the toilet...overflowed...shit water everywhere. Right after dinner. Damn my life rocks. by Jody 2012-01-21 19:03:16
- If we ever have "a national sales tax" it will be because those on the left who fight it will ... by alcaray 2012-01-21 16:58:04
  - I'm in favor of a 10% national sales tax on stocks, bonds and derivatives, including hedge funds. No food, ... by bowser 2012-01-22 03:12:07
  - You're right by RobVG 2012-01-21 17:31:43
    - We've been over this. by TB 2012-01-21 18:24:04
      - What percent of the wealth of America is owned by the top 1%? by alcaray 2012-01-21 20:08:12
        
        The 2007 pre-recession numbers are in this article, divided into income, investments, and general financial assets. by TB 2012-01-21 21:32:53
        
        Nice of you to link to a source that makes my point: "But an analysis of the Fed data is ... by alcaray 2012-01-21 21:41:58
      - Is a sales tax regressive by RobVG 2012-01-21 18:54:56
        
        I know what regressive means. by TB 2012-01-21 19:46:33
        
        In other words, there's only so much room in the economy for the wealthy. n/t by RobVG 2012-01-21 19:26:48
  - Bingo. It will be accompanied by a reduction on taxes on the ultra-wealthy, who will buy enough Congressmen to ... by bowser 2012-01-21 17:01:32
Narcissism and paranoia. by ER 2012-01-17 05:54:39
- Actually, I think we're already in a state of decline; thanks to the corporate ladders of greediness, protected by the ... by Lindy 2012-01-18 16:13:43
  - Roger that! Welcome back, Lindy. by ER 2012-01-18 20:12:24
    - I made it here two days in a row; doesn't mean I'll remember to come back a third....nice to see ... by Lindy 2012-01-19 11:16:23

Boy, howdy! There are some ruthless folks around here. by bowser January 20, 2012 8:02 pm

This is one reason why I left the ZONE.....I felt uncomfortable in the presence of some of the Conservatives, even ... by Lindy 2012-01-21 13:23:05
- Hey Lindy! by BuckGalaxy 2012-01-21 15:54:36
- How many is too many conservatives? One? Two? by TB 2012-01-21 14:21:06
Hey, I'm nice! Sorta... kinda.... Somewhat..... Side note though: Jesus was sort of a jerk. *ducks for cover* by VelociraptorBlade 2012-01-21 01:30:13
Ivory tower by RobVG 2012-01-20 20:48:30
- Don't hear much about the old Ozone Hole lately, do you? by TB 2012-01-20 21:27:34
- I'm gonna let the water run the whole time I brush my teeth. by Jody 2012-01-20 21:15:49
It's always nice to have that Right-Wing Scarecrow you can bring out of your closet when the real arguments here ... by TB 2012-01-20 20:12:03
- And a little note on Jesus: by TB 2012-01-20 20:14:19
  - And you don't have any awareness of what He DID say, do you? Or, do you know, and just disagree? by bowser 2012-01-21 01:23:14
    - This would be a lot easier if people could follow the simplest train of thought. by TB 2012-01-21 10:33:15
      - Read your post, TB, and try to track. Just read your own post. And try to understand it. ... by bowser 2012-01-21 17:05:36
      - Your problem is you're expecting them to act like adults by RobVG 2012-01-21 16:27:52
      - Yeah, and Obamacare is the first step of a slippery slope which will inevitably lead to an American Soviet Socialist ... by ER 2012-01-21 12:37:39
        
        Kind of like that. by TB 2012-01-21 13:09:00

Top eight politicians who led double lives by TB January 21, 2012 10:45 am

ABC News left out....Gingrich? by ER 2012-01-21 13:17:59
- Oh, for God's sake ER. Gingrich asked for and received redemption from a genuine fundamental Christian megachurch founder. Kennedy and ... by bowser 2012-01-21 13:59:05
  - C'mon Bowz. You won't say HIS name either! Who is Tom trying to get us to avoid mentioning (I ... by ER 2012-01-21 14:07:04
    - Your hysterical gibbering doesn't change the point, does it? by TB 2012-01-21 14:15:47
      - Yeah, TB. You're so subtle. You've made your point about the Bolshevization of the media so effectively. You've just ... by ER 2012-01-21 14:28:25

And a thought as to the dissatisfaction with education in the US by bowser January 20, 2012 11:30 pm

And as a centrist, my philosophy on learning is "Do as thou wilt". People should be able to learn ... by VelociraptorBlade 2012-01-21 01:17:58
- The people here dismissing "business" are making some fundamental errors. by TB 2012-01-21 09:52:30
  - Yes, but you have to admit, by ER 2012-01-21 13:39:49
    - In "Only a Poor Old Man," Scrooge saves his fortune from the Beagle Boys, who have obtained legal salvage rights ... by TB 2012-01-21 14:20:31
- “They hate you if you’re clever, but they despise a fool.” by ER 2012-01-21 07:11:47
- As with all problems, ask first "What is my goal?" Then be realistic. If you want to make money, choose ... by bowser 2012-01-21 01:51:50

Evil Red State update by TB January 20, 2012 9:35 pm

Isn't unemployment a capital offence down there? I think that would account for the lower rate. by bowser 2012-01-20 22:12:19
- I'll believe corporations are people when Texas starts executing them. by ER 2012-01-21 09:15:31
  - The law has "executed" quite a few corporations that have committed crimes, and sent their principals into prisons. by TB 2012-01-21 10:21:50
    - Who? by Robert 2012-01-21 12:19:25
      - Bowser continuously trots out Enron and Worldcom as his examples. Where are they now? Where are the people responsible? by TB 2012-01-21 13:08:15
      - Nothing good has ever come out of Texas. by ER 2012-01-21 12:30:55

Does anyone believe getting rid of Saddam and installing a new dictator was worth it? by bowser January 19, 2012 11:00 am

I believe the Iraq adventure will be remembered as the beginning of the decline in American power and influence in ... by ER 2012-01-19 15:17:20
- One can see many problems for the US and few bright spots. The 20th century was America's, the 21st ... by bowser 2012-01-20 11:02:56
- It ebbs and flows. by TB 2012-01-19 16:22:13
You could ask the Iraqis. by TB 2012-01-19 11:17:53
- Population growth looks normal,BUT there were 114,540 DEAD IRAQI CIVILIANS...to take out ONE DICTATOR. Not very good odds. And WikiLeaks ... by Lindy 2012-01-19 19:06:24
- Don't ask any Sunnis, though. by alcaray 2012-01-19 17:45:13
- No. I'm asking you, and other Americans. Do you think Saddam was worth one American life? 2,000? ... by bowser 2012-01-19 12:22:35
  - I'm not in the military, and never have been. My opinion would be coming from the bleachers. by TB 2012-01-19 12:53:54
    - Hasn't anyone told you what you believe yet? by bowser 2012-01-19 14:44:49
      - No one ever has. Frustrates the hell out of a lot of people. by TB 2012-01-19 16:15:56
        
        Nobody likes being told what they need to believe. by ER 2012-01-19 17:17:17
- ARE THERE ANY LEFT? by Lindy 2012-01-19 11:27:35
  - Hi Lindy. Nice to read you. And we need you for balance. I find myself a moderate ... by bowser 2012-01-19 15:01:58
  - About five million more than when the war started. by TB 2012-01-19 11:40:14
Hell no! It was a neocon wet dream with capitalist and racist underpinnings...hi Frank! by Lindy 2012-01-19 11:14:03
- LOL, Hi Lindy. If by invoking me you are putting me in a bag with neo cons? I am a seni-con. ... by FrankC 2012-01-19 14:44:20
  - Thanks for your comment Frank. I still think the neocons and the PNAC went in purely for the oil....and it's ... by Lindy 2012-01-19 19:08:26

Enter the "taxers". by ER January 20, 2012 7:25 am

I wonder...is the outcome of President decided before the elections? A Manchurian Candidate sorta thing? by Jody 2012-01-20 08:10:51
- No. by TB 2012-01-20 10:32:27
- As in everything else, the truth is somewhere in between. I don't think there is a colossal conspiracy in ... by ER 2012-01-20 08:57:42

"Billionaire donates for Washington Monument repairs" by bowser January 19, 2012 1:54 am

Yeah, this is the way it's supposed to work: by TB 2012-01-19 09:33:09
- Confiscated his wealth. Created by the private sector. A hedge fund manager, creating wealth, jobs, paying taxes. ... by bowser 2012-01-19 11:06:45

The TSA is both a problem and a symptom. by bowser December 26, 2011 1:13 pm

Stay out of Tennessee then...the TSA are there with their guns and dogs doing random traffic stops and searches... by Lindy 2012-01-18 16:18:47
Y'know, somehow this doesn't bother me. You have an enormous problem, protecting the traveling public from terrorist attack, and it ... by ER 2011-12-26 13:41:13
- I agree it's a huge problem. I'm suggesting it could be done professionally and competently, with continuity across the ... by bowser 2011-12-26 16:20:27
- It should not have to be done by a "massive bureaucracy." by TB 2011-12-26 15:05:17
  - Comparing pre- and post-WTC airport security is a bit like comparing kittens and lions. by bowser 2011-12-26 16:22:30
  - I hear the Israeli system is pretty effective, but then again, One of our big airports probably handles more traffic ... by ER 2011-12-26 15:39:08
    - That's a factor very few people seem to realize when pushing the "Israeli" approach. by TB 2011-12-26 17:05:20

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