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"Are jobs obsolete?" September 9, 2011 6:33 pm Robert

Tom posted a link over in Flame to this CNN opinion piece by Douglas Rushkoff. It (Tom’s choice of venue) struck me as a somewhat underhanded tactic to preclude serious discussion of the essay, and it didn’t work very well–ER and Eri started discussing it seriously.

I want to comment on it, but Flame is inappropriate. I think it’s important because Rushkoff isn’t original, and in one form or another the debate about the insane mismatch between a jobs-oriented economy and an obsession with technology that eliminates jobs has been around much longer than I have. But I will give Rushkoff credit for writing a particularly clear and accessible explanation of the problem.

Which is, basically, that our present predicament isn’t that we’re any poorer than we used to be, but that the mechanism for distributing the abundance has seized up.

We’re living in an economy where productivity is no longer the goal, employment is. That’s because, on a very fundamental level, we have pretty much everything we need. America is productive enough that it could probably shelter, feed, educate, and even provide health care for its entire population with just a fraction of us actually working.

According to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization, there is enough food produced to provide everyone in the world with 2,720 kilocalories per person per day. And that’s even after America disposes of thousands of tons of crop and dairy just to keep market prices high. Meanwhile, American banks overloaded with foreclosed properties are demolishing vacant dwellings Video to get the empty houses off their books.

Our problem is not that we don’t have enough stuff — it’s that we don’t have enough ways for people to work and prove that they deserve this stuff.

When you get right down to it, an economic system that fails not to produce but to distribute is serving us poorly. We’ve got the production part down pat, but it seems our ideological blinders cause us to suck at the distribution part.

I can see how the economic equivalent of “The Emperor has no clothes!” would threaten a Conservative like Tom, but instead of flaming the piece,Tom, I really want you to explain where Rushkoff got it wrong. Did I miss al Qaeda blowing up half the factories in America? Did American farmers forget how to grow their crops? Or is there some good explanation why productive capacity and wealth and empty homes are piling up to one side, while millions of Americans are begging for subsistence?

Please convince me that we’re living in the best of all possible worlds under capitalism.

  • This concludes this test of the system. We now return you to your original programming. by TB 2011-09-11 11:43:57
    • I imagine Tom originally posted the Rushkoff essay in some forlorn hope that all the lefties here would read it ... by ER 2011-09-11 05:04:05
      • No, I posted it to display a "media analyst" who floated the idea that a large portion of the population ... by TB 2011-09-11 08:13:06
        • TB, we have always lived in a society where not working was not only allowed, it was a sign of ... by ER 2011-09-11 08:28:39
          • Ten foot pole. You know damn well the author was not talking about dependents. Or successful investors. by TB 2011-09-11 11:14:12
            • Let me tell you about my ten foot pole. I do not mind saluting the flag, or saying the ... by ER 2011-09-11 12:27:46
      • Heading down to the Art and Wine festival. Later! by TB 2011-09-10 14:28:06
        • This guy goes in a different direction with Rushkoff's essay: Increasingly, perhaps, a job is something that we each have to ... by TB 2011-09-10 13:12:42
          • The man makes some good points, although I have difficulty seeing how they can actually be realized in practice. ... by ER 2011-09-10 13:57:27
            • His job right now is a blogger. Blogging as a job didn't exist until a few years ago. ... by TB 2011-09-10 14:19:37
              • I can see by your outfit, that you are a blogger. You can see by my outfit, that I blog too. We can ... by ER 2011-09-11 05:23:49
              • PS. Referring to your comment "...the idea of a particular job as a lifelong entitlement." That is not necessarily ... by ER 2011-09-10 14:16:13
            • One of the problems with the essay is it makes the mistake, common nowadays, of thinking of a "job" as ... by TB 2011-09-10 11:47:18
              • Moved to Flame. by ER 2011-09-10 09:27:02
                • Why thank you ER...I was a candy striper...do you need to use the bedpan? ...there is more to the concept of ... by Jody 2011-09-10 09:39:39
                  • Sorry, I tried to move my post to Flame (before you finished responding) and lost all the text. Fortunately, ... by ER 2011-09-10 09:46:20
                  • I simply can not wrap my brain around work not being jobs...and jobs not being work. They are one in the ... by Jody 2011-09-10 09:35:48
                    • That's because you think of work as wage slavery: Something unpleasant you begrudgingly do because you have to eat, ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:53:06
                      • Not all jobs are drudgery, although some always will be. Craftsmen still earn their way in many, many fields. Heck, ... by TB 2011-09-10 13:45:15
                        • EDITED:So why aren't you working for Google, or starting your own Google? C'mon Tom. If making sandals and running a ... by ER 2011-09-10 14:31:01
                          • The system will work again when we no longer have a government in power that believes that the private sector ... by TB 2011-09-10 18:57:07
                            • Conservative freedom rhetoric doesn't fool anyone. Every single policy consideration they propose is one that will benefit them immediately, and ... by ER 2011-09-11 04:26:16
                              • My statement still stands, a simple one that had no outrage in it. People are learning who the thugs are. by TB 2011-09-11 11:19:20
                            • I tried. Several times. I didn't make it. That's called "reality." by TB 2011-09-10 14:38:14
                    • "Please convince me that we’re living in the best of all possible worlds under capitalism." I can't. The responses to ... by TB 2011-09-09 19:27:57
                      • Define "impossible". by Robert 2011-09-10 10:46:36
                        • Rushkoff is wrong. Dead wrong. I won't even mention his ignorance of history. There is no "America" producing goods ... by TB 2011-09-10 11:33:05
                          • I don't understand Rushkoff. He wrote a book "Program or be Programmed". To me I took this as being pro ... by Jody 2011-09-10 10:51:17
                            • I wouldn't infer acquiescence from somebody speaking up about a problem. And I don't really see how reexamining the structure ... by Robert 2011-09-10 11:21:05
                              • I haven't read all the background comprising this thread but I will say that the idea of food and shelter ... by FrankC 2011-09-11 15:09:38
                                • Believe it or not, I have some sympathy for the argument, but it's mostly left wing Utopian baloney. This guy makes ... by Jody 2011-09-10 18:06:16
                                  • You forgot the one about liberals eating their children. by Robert 2011-09-10 18:20:17
                                    • No, that's not how you respond to a "smear." Your response should be "no, Jody, the Left is very ... by TB 2011-09-10 19:01:26
                                      • No, that is exactly how I respond to a smear. by Robert 2011-09-10 20:31:43
                                        • I am sorry you are disappointed in what I said Robert. I am not. It feels strangely cathartic. by Jody 2011-09-11 14:11:55
                                          • "Cathartic" means using other people as punching bags. That's really nothing to be proud of. by Robert 2011-09-12 08:46:29
                                            • Robert...I was on a soap box about Liberals in general. It was not directed at you personally. Next time I ... by Jody 2011-09-12 10:45:55
                                              • WARNING!!!! Jody is in *A* mode.....Robert....just thinking...why the hell does everybody else get to mud sling...and the minute I do ... by Jody 2011-09-12 12:23:49
                                              • I'm sorry, where did Jody "punch" you or anyone else on this board personally? Read her post again. Think hard ... by TB 2011-09-12 09:46:46
                                            • In short, you got nothing. Want to go into a tally of smears and empty insults? by TB 2011-09-11 11:04:39
                                      • Which "better one" would that be? And how have identical ideas worked in the past? by TB 2011-09-10 11:34:33
                                        • Straw men, TB. by Robert 2011-09-10 13:54:29
                                          • Of course he doesn't propose anything specific. He can't. Neither can anyone else. The whole concept has ... by TB 2011-09-10 14:11:00
                                          • Tom, you talk as if Capitalism was born perfectly formed, and that it has been consistently degraded by Socialist intervention ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:03:18
                                            • As with most things you "credit" me with, I've never said anything of the sort. I should have stuck to my ... by TB 2011-09-10 12:15:28
                                              • Well, thanks anyway for bringing up the Rushkoff essay. He developed in a disciplined, systematic way, a lot of ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:43:35
                                    • You don't need proof because you have already decided on the truth. You're just wrong Tom. Your beliefs are more ... by ER 2011-09-10 07:07:28
                                      • This from the guy who constantly lectures my on my "arrogance." Two points: A definition that can mean anything you ... by TB 2011-09-10 09:49:24
                                        • One point: A definition is just a mental exercise, it need not have any referent in reality. Just because ... by ER 2011-09-10 09:55:03
                                          • And there you have the essence of "debate" here. by TB 2011-09-10 10:02:57
                                            • TB, you will note I am not promoting any particular political or economic philosophy, I never have. I am merely ... by ER 2011-09-10 10:22:16
                                              • An exercise for those interested: Put each of those sentences on its own line and think about it for a few ... by TB 2011-09-10 10:34:14
                                                • Sure, anything taken out of context makes little or no sense, or is subject to misinterpretation. That's another shabby debating tactic. Tom, ... by ER 2011-09-10 11:02:07
                                      • Some jobs are becoming obsolete, to be sure. But my thought is that because of technology, jobs are being created. Hasn't ... by Jody 2011-09-09 19:45:13
                                        • The point the essay tries to make is that our whole economy is based on the industrial model of employers ... by Robert 2011-09-10 11:03:12
                                          • What they're talking about is the idea of a "job" being obsolete. by TB 2011-09-09 19:58:25
                                            • Ooops...meant to be under Robert's post. by Jody 2011-09-09 19:45:50

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