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"There's Little We Can Do to Prevent Another Massacre" by TB December 21, 2012 1:33 pm

excellent reading by FrankC 2012-12-21 14:49:26
- Hmm. I thought is was rehash and a waste of time. Oh well. n/t by RobVG 2012-12-22 10:43:45
- A well-written article by mcfly 2012-12-21 15:29:01
  - "acquiesce" is probably the word you're looking for by Robert 2012-12-21 16:38:15
    - Would you like to define the evil of which you speak? by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 18:31:45
      - taxonomies of evil by Robert 2012-12-21 18:52:56
        
        "We" by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 19:31:19
  - *sigh* by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 15:46:44
    - "Accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.Approve or sanction (something), esp. with reluctance." Yeah, "condone" ... by mcfly 2012-12-21 16:51:53
      - "Accept," "allow" and "sanction" are not synonyms. by TB 2012-12-21 17:44:21
        
        I didn't make that definition up, TB by mcfly 2012-12-21 18:16:20
      - seeking vs grasping by FrankC 2012-12-21 17:33:59
      - We are saying that the mentality that makes decisions based on the statement "Something must be done"... by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 17:23:49
    - Welcome to my world. by TB 2012-12-21 16:03:18
      - Mary Anne, you're in TB's world? by mcfly 2012-12-21 17:12:49
        
        lolol by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 18:40:12

Thinking the unthinkable by Jody December 15, 2012 8:57 pm

Another personal story along this same line, by TB 2012-12-22 08:23:27
Madmen don't kill people. by ER 2012-12-17 06:15:06
- 27,000 people lost to this "plague"? I think that number is greater than the total number of homicides in the US n/t by RobVG 2012-12-17 09:50:12
  - It probably is. by ER 2012-12-17 10:39:32
    - Thanks by RobVG 2012-12-17 17:05:57
      - 30.06 by ER 2012-12-17 19:55:08
- From where I observe...criminals are mad men. The insatiable need for money and power is mad. I do not use ... by Jody 2012-12-17 09:11:27
Disaster waiting to happen by TB 2012-12-16 14:36:47
- Actually Tom...and boy am I gonna get a lot of flack for saying this...and note, I will never own a ... by Jody 2012-12-16 15:34:33
Thanks, Jody, for this story. by MaryAnne 2012-12-16 09:13:34

“Nothing can be done” by Robert December 20, 2012 10:02 pm

OK. So, what to do? by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 06:10:39
- As with nuclear weapons, guns necessitate more gun ownership to protect you from all the guns. by alcaray 2012-12-21 12:42:32
  - Another conversation: disarmament as negotiation. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 14:00:32
    - I've got nothing aainst law-abiding gun owners either. by mcfly 2012-12-21 14:34:55
      - John O'Hara, in his novella "Imagine Kissing Pete" (I think)... by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 14:58:03
        
        Alcohol and firearms, huh? by mcfly 2012-12-21 17:21:14
        
        The Feds put them together, along with tobacco, and later, explosives. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 18:56:03
      - They don't legislate emission controls and mileage standards. by TB 2012-12-21 14:49:32
  - Where? by TB 2012-12-21 12:43:49
    - What? by alcaray 2012-12-21 12:54:40
      - We're not talking about nuclear weapons. by TB 2012-12-21 13:01:57
        
        That was an analogy, Tom. by alcaray 2012-12-21 13:10:12
        
        Okay, if we're doing analogies... by TB 2012-12-21 13:25:29
        
        You are misaken (though it's largely beside the point). by alcaray 2012-12-21 14:53:14
        
        Fine, but next we're doing S'mores by mcfly 2012-12-21 14:51:50
        
        Let's see... by TB 2012-12-21 14:54:07
- I'm disappointed by Robert 2012-12-21 11:44:41
  - And we're talking past each other. Again. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 13:32:14
    - Creating a better society by mcfly 2012-12-21 17:40:23
      - I don't care about the "nothing can be done" crowd unless they cut off my money. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 19:05:01
    - Nobody thinks twice about armed bank guards being a good idea. by TB 2012-12-21 14:51:56
      - We don't have any. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 15:14:02
    - PS: The gun shops' parking lots were full again this morning. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 14:17:16
    - I agree with your solution, but... by FrankC 2012-12-21 14:09:56
      - Amen, and it's about time, too. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 14:31:05
  - What you did say in your post: by TB 2012-12-21 12:16:35
    - "I found out that there is no magic wand that can keep a lunatic from finding a weapon and using it to commit mass murder." by alcaray 2012-12-21 12:52:31
It's not a "conservative" meme. by TB 2012-12-20 23:18:02
- Oh, sorry, I didn't realize... by Robert 2012-12-21 11:47:49
  - You don't really want discussion. by TB 2012-12-21 12:35:48
    - Are you on drugs? Take a look at this thread. (n/t) by Robert 2012-12-21 15:52:58

Boehner is toast as SOTH by BuckGalaxy December 20, 2012 9:49 pm

Right rages at Boehner by BuckGalaxy 2012-12-21 11:09:38
We're likely going over the cliff because the GOP is in complete disarray. by BuckGalaxy 2012-12-20 21:52:07
- But of course it's a great comfort to know... by mcfly 2012-12-21 05:35:13
  - Do you really think this debate is about the fiscal cliff? Or the budget? by TB 2012-12-21 07:26:29
    - I'm hardly the only one who feels the way I do by mcfly 2012-12-21 13:29:27
      - I'm just watching the dance. by TB 2012-12-21 14:38:54
        
        But that's exactly the choice conservatives are giving us by mcfly 2012-12-21 15:51:05
        
        The Dems won the election by BuckGalaxy 2012-12-21 15:16:30

Congress is quietly abandoning the 5th amendment by TB December 21, 2012 10:20 am

Congress has passed unconstitutional laws before. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 10:56:40
- Oops! Forgot the Executive branch! Obama can refuse to sign it. by MaryAnne 2012-12-21 10:57:32

Warrantless surveillance by TB September 27, 2012 8:56 pm

Unintentional "bump." Sorry. by TB 2012-12-21 10:22:04
I think we need laws to protect our electronic privacy. by alcaray 2012-09-28 10:41:04
Heard anything lately about secret renditions? Waterboarding? How about "Shock and Awe"? by bowser 2012-09-27 21:41:18

"Do something!" by TB December 17, 2012 11:26 am

move along, move along, nothing to see here, move along by Robert 2012-12-17 15:16:16
Is this the thread that's supposed "to tell you where most of the gun violence in this country does come from"? by alcaray 2012-12-17 13:32:45
For myself...the only thing I can do...realistically...is NOT condone or contribute to calamity. by Jody 2012-12-17 12:33:59
- Conservatives appear fond of a meme... by mcfly 2012-12-20 21:08:24
Adam Lanza is a fluke, an outlier, an accident. by ER 2012-12-17 11:37:24

ER's post moved to Flame (n/t) by Robert December 20, 2012 6:32 pm

In response to "What motive?", from below. by ER December 19, 2012 7:16 am

It's about ignorance. by TB 2012-12-19 10:31:05
- You're obviously not up to date on your ghetto crime stats. by ER 2012-12-19 13:09:00
  - "The assault rifle has become the weapon of choice in drive-by shootings." by TB 2012-12-19 14:00:05
    - No Tom, the car and the victims are both stationary. by ER 2012-12-19 14:57:53
      - You're making this stuff up. n/t by RobVG 2012-12-20 10:13:56
        
        You just noticed that? by TB 2012-12-20 10:16:51
The subject. by RobVG 2012-12-19 09:23:55
- I'd feel safer if my neighbors did not own guns. by alcaray 2012-12-19 14:11:10
- No, YOU want to talk about murders only because it fits your narrative better. by ER 2012-12-19 13:20:01
  - Because in this context, only murders are relevant. by TB 2012-12-19 14:08:38
    - No, Tom. You don't get to pick what we're going to talk about. by ER 2012-12-19 14:49:01
      - Look very far for what? by TB 2012-12-19 21:31:25
- More on violent criminals as the problem: by TB 2012-12-19 11:11:28
  - Right off the top of my head I can think of 27 who don't. by ER 2012-12-19 13:10:13

250 years of school shootings by RobVG December 16, 2012 11:10 am

People are going to get sick no matter what we do, so why bother building hospitals? by alcaray 2012-12-16 14:00:49
- If you're suggesting there is nothing we can do to stop gun violence, I disagree n/t by RobVG 2012-12-16 14:50:07
  - I'm not suggesting any such thing. by alcaray 2012-12-16 15:01:11
    - Funny, I was't trying to make a point. n/t by RobVG 2012-12-16 16:01:20
      - I noticed that by Robert 2012-12-16 20:46:40
        
        The pornography analogy is apt. by ER 2012-12-16 23:36:36
        
        and by Robert 2012-12-17 15:35:12
        
        My girls are all markswomen. by MaryAnne 2012-12-17 17:25:52
        
        Mass murderers are almost always men by Robert 2012-12-17 19:39:08
        
        "I’m sure you can guess where I think gun violence comes from." by TB 2012-12-17 10:11:59
        
        Please proceed. by ER 2012-12-17 10:50:49
        
        Black on Black or gang related for starters. n/t by RobVG 2012-12-17 17:36:55
        
        Citizens are citizens. by alcaray 2012-12-17 23:34:32
        
        I don't consider violent criminals "citizens". by RobVG 2012-12-18 08:45:01
        
        "I can’t think of any other reason why blacks would be killing blacks." by ER 2012-12-18 14:38:11
        
        My god you are so off base. I expect an apology. Don't care if I receive it. n/t by RobVG 2012-12-18 18:37:16
        
        "I can’t think of any other reason why blacks would be killing blacks." by ER 2012-12-18 20:07:42
        
        Guess I should have added 'in such numbers'. by RobVG 2012-12-18 22:26:47
        
        You're missing the point. Deliberately. Again. by TB 2012-12-18 14:41:49
        
        You obviously didn't read my post. by ER 2012-12-18 16:14:29
        
        Oh, I read it. I read everything. by TB 2012-12-18 20:22:06
        
        So tell me, Tom. What's my motive? by ER 2012-12-18 21:16:10
        
        What "motive?" by TB 2012-12-18 21:47:59
        
        See above. by ER 2012-12-19 06:27:57
        
        Some statistics: by TB 2012-12-18 09:13:39
        
        Gangs of New York by ER 2012-12-17 19:12:21
        
        See? Thread's already dead. by TB 2012-12-17 10:56:46
        
        Maybe the problem is the underlying premise that something can always be "done." by TB 2012-12-16 21:21:01
        
        Humans do things to make things better. by alcaray 2012-12-16 22:58:41
        
        Licensing surgeons and airline pilots doesn't guarantee they won't make mistakes. by ER 2012-12-16 22:50:47
        
        Cooler heads. by RobVG 2012-12-16 21:08:10
        
        There are things to talk about by Robert 2012-12-17 13:36:04
        
        Tasers figured in a local case of wrongful death, decided against the police. by MaryAnne 2012-12-17 18:38:36
        
        Lethality is a statistical concept by Robert 2012-12-17 19:45:24
        
        Simple question. Why do you want to bring the 2nd amendment into it? n/t by RobVG 2012-12-17 17:33:44
        
        Because it's frequently cited as preventing any attempt to control guns. by Robert 2012-12-17 19:43:11
        
        Fair enough by RobVG 2012-12-17 21:13:49
        
        Connecticut still has an assault weapons ban. by TB 2012-12-18 07:27:51
        
        right you are by Robert 2012-12-17 22:24:37
        
        Monster porn by RobVG 2012-12-16 21:38:15
        
        There's more to it than just pro and anti gun sides. by ER 2012-12-16 22:36:56
      - And yet, you did. by alcaray 2012-12-16 20:44:57

Why the gun is civilization by TB December 18, 2012 3:30 pm

What a noble and carefully reasoned sentiment. by ER 2012-12-18 16:24:46

Why the "24 hour" rule is a good idea by TB December 18, 2012 8:54 am

The same thing happens in all fast-moving, remote incidents. by ER 2012-12-18 12:23:00
- News, 24-7. by TB 2012-12-18 13:49:07

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