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Plan(et) 9 from Outer Space BuckGalaxy May 13, 2025 10:58 am (Space/Science)

Shouldn't there be an Afrikaaner-American studies department in our universities? ER May 12, 2025 2:59 pm (CurrentEvents)

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The Orange Criminal POS abandons another ally BuckGalaxy May 7, 2025 10:18 am (CurrentEvents)

Orion spacecraft for crewed Artemis II lunar mission ready BuckGalaxy May 3, 2025 8:13 pm (Space/Science)

Australia election more bad news conservatives BuckGalaxy May 3, 2025 11:54 am (CurrentEvents)

Massive cuts to NASA budget proposed BuckGalaxy May 3, 2025 9:19 am (Space/Science)

Say what? ER May 1, 2025 8:53 pm (CurrentEvents)

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The Last of Us BuckGalaxy April 30, 2025 12:37 pm (Science Fiction)

You can't make this stuff up... RobVG April 29, 2025 1:43 pm (CurrentEvents)

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Time for Israel to reoccupy the Sinai. by Lee September 9, 2011 9:12 pm

Ten years after Pearl Harbor by TB September 9, 2011 7:22 pm

As I've alluded before, the wallowing in 9/11 nostalgia is not for me, in fact, I feel it a form ... by ER 2011-09-11 06:04:45
- Agreed! It's too painful. by Jeff-Wash 2011-09-11 15:09:05
- The simplest explanation was that Japan was an ally by 1951, and things were different. Wars seemed to settle ... by TB 2011-09-11 08:05:38
  - There's also the guilt that was felt by many Americans over the dropping of the bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki; ... by Jeff-Wash 2011-09-11 15:18:47
    - In addition, a little off topic, speaking of Hiroshima, President Truman felt guilty in the years after 1945 over the fact ... by Jeff-Wash 2011-09-11 15:28:56
      - I'm not sure why Hiroshima and Nagasaki would generate any more or less guilt than, for example, the firebombing of ... by TB 2011-09-11 17:56:18
  - The common people in warring countries used to go right back to normal trade and travel as soon as their ... by ER 2011-09-11 09:01:48

"Are jobs obsolete?" by Robert September 9, 2011 6:33 pm

This concludes this test of the system. We now return you to your original programming. by TB 2011-09-11 11:43:57
I imagine Tom originally posted the Rushkoff essay in some forlorn hope that all the lefties here would read it ... by ER 2011-09-11 05:04:05
- No, I posted it to display a "media analyst" who floated the idea that a large portion of the population ... by TB 2011-09-11 08:13:06
  - TB, we have always lived in a society where not working was not only allowed, it was a sign of ... by ER 2011-09-11 08:28:39
    - Ten foot pole. You know damn well the author was not talking about dependents. Or successful investors. by TB 2011-09-11 11:14:12
      - Let me tell you about my ten foot pole. I do not mind saluting the flag, or saying the ... by ER 2011-09-11 12:27:46
Heading down to the Art and Wine festival. Later! by TB 2011-09-10 14:28:06
This guy goes in a different direction with Rushkoff's essay: Increasingly, perhaps, a job is something that we each have to ... by TB 2011-09-10 13:12:42
- The man makes some good points, although I have difficulty seeing how they can actually be realized in practice. ... by ER 2011-09-10 13:57:27
  - His job right now is a blogger. Blogging as a job didn't exist until a few years ago. ... by TB 2011-09-10 14:19:37
    - I can see by your outfit, that you are a blogger. You can see by my outfit, that I blog too. We can ... by ER 2011-09-11 05:23:49
  - PS. Referring to your comment "...the idea of a particular job as a lifelong entitlement." That is not necessarily ... by ER 2011-09-10 14:16:13
One of the problems with the essay is it makes the mistake, common nowadays, of thinking of a "job" as ... by TB 2011-09-10 11:47:18
Moved to Flame. by ER 2011-09-10 09:27:02
- Why thank you ER...I was a candy striper...do you need to use the bedpan? ...there is more to the concept of ... by Jody 2011-09-10 09:39:39
  - Sorry, I tried to move my post to Flame (before you finished responding) and lost all the text. Fortunately, ... by ER 2011-09-10 09:46:20
- I simply can not wrap my brain around work not being jobs...and jobs not being work. They are one in the ... by Jody 2011-09-10 09:35:48
  - That's because you think of work as wage slavery: Something unpleasant you begrudgingly do because you have to eat, ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:53:06
    - Not all jobs are drudgery, although some always will be. Craftsmen still earn their way in many, many fields. Heck, ... by TB 2011-09-10 13:45:15
      - EDITED:So why aren't you working for Google, or starting your own Google? C'mon Tom. If making sandals and running a ... by ER 2011-09-10 14:31:01
        
        The system will work again when we no longer have a government in power that believes that the private sector ... by TB 2011-09-10 18:57:07
        
        Conservative freedom rhetoric doesn't fool anyone. Every single policy consideration they propose is one that will benefit them immediately, and ... by ER 2011-09-11 04:26:16
        
        My statement still stands, a simple one that had no outrage in it. People are learning who the thugs are. by TB 2011-09-11 11:19:20
        
        I tried. Several times. I didn't make it. That's called "reality." by TB 2011-09-10 14:38:14
"Please convince me that we’re living in the best of all possible worlds under capitalism." I can't. The responses to ... by TB 2011-09-09 19:27:57
- Define "impossible". by Robert 2011-09-10 10:46:36
  - Rushkoff is wrong. Dead wrong. I won't even mention his ignorance of history. There is no "America" producing goods ... by TB 2011-09-10 11:33:05
  - I don't understand Rushkoff. He wrote a book "Program or be Programmed". To me I took this as being pro ... by Jody 2011-09-10 10:51:17
    - I wouldn't infer acquiescence from somebody speaking up about a problem. And I don't really see how reexamining the structure ... by Robert 2011-09-10 11:21:05
      - I haven't read all the background comprising this thread but I will say that the idea of food and shelter ... by FrankC 2011-09-11 15:09:38
      - Believe it or not, I have some sympathy for the argument, but it's mostly left wing Utopian baloney. This guy makes ... by Jody 2011-09-10 18:06:16
        
        You forgot the one about liberals eating their children. by Robert 2011-09-10 18:20:17
        
        No, that's not how you respond to a "smear." Your response should be "no, Jody, the Left is very ... by TB 2011-09-10 19:01:26
        
        No, that is exactly how I respond to a smear. by Robert 2011-09-10 20:31:43
        
        I am sorry you are disappointed in what I said Robert. I am not. It feels strangely cathartic. by Jody 2011-09-11 14:11:55
        
        "Cathartic" means using other people as punching bags. That's really nothing to be proud of. by Robert 2011-09-12 08:46:29
        
        Robert...I was on a soap box about Liberals in general. It was not directed at you personally. Next time I ... by Jody 2011-09-12 10:45:55
        
        WARNING!!!! Jody is in *A* mode.....Robert....just thinking...why the hell does everybody else get to mud sling...and the minute I do ... by Jody 2011-09-12 12:23:49
        
        I'm sorry, where did Jody "punch" you or anyone else on this board personally? Read her post again. Think hard ... by TB 2011-09-12 09:46:46
        
        In short, you got nothing. Want to go into a tally of smears and empty insults? by TB 2011-09-11 11:04:39
      - Which "better one" would that be? And how have identical ideas worked in the past? by TB 2011-09-10 11:34:33
        
        Straw men, TB. by Robert 2011-09-10 13:54:29
        
        Of course he doesn't propose anything specific. He can't. Neither can anyone else. The whole concept has ... by TB 2011-09-10 14:11:00
        
        Tom, you talk as if Capitalism was born perfectly formed, and that it has been consistently degraded by Socialist intervention ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:03:18
        
        As with most things you "credit" me with, I've never said anything of the sort. I should have stuck to my ... by TB 2011-09-10 12:15:28
        
        Well, thanks anyway for bringing up the Rushkoff essay. He developed in a disciplined, systematic way, a lot of ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:43:35
- You don't need proof because you have already decided on the truth. You're just wrong Tom. Your beliefs are more ... by ER 2011-09-10 07:07:28
  - This from the guy who constantly lectures my on my "arrogance." Two points: A definition that can mean anything you ... by TB 2011-09-10 09:49:24
    - One point: A definition is just a mental exercise, it need not have any referent in reality. Just because ... by ER 2011-09-10 09:55:03
      - And there you have the essence of "debate" here. by TB 2011-09-10 10:02:57
        
        TB, you will note I am not promoting any particular political or economic philosophy, I never have. I am merely ... by ER 2011-09-10 10:22:16
        
        An exercise for those interested: Put each of those sentences on its own line and think about it for a few ... by TB 2011-09-10 10:34:14
        
        Sure, anything taken out of context makes little or no sense, or is subject to misinterpretation. That's another shabby debating tactic. Tom, ... by ER 2011-09-10 11:02:07
- Some jobs are becoming obsolete, to be sure. But my thought is that because of technology, jobs are being created. Hasn't ... by Jody 2011-09-09 19:45:13
  - The point the essay tries to make is that our whole economy is based on the industrial model of employers ... by Robert 2011-09-10 11:03:12
  - What they're talking about is the idea of a "job" being obsolete. by TB 2011-09-09 19:58:25
  - Ooops...meant to be under Robert's post. by Jody 2011-09-09 19:45:50

Confessions of a GOP Operative Who Left "the Cult": 3 Things Everyone Must Know About the Lunatic-Filled Republican Party by BuckGalaxy September 9, 2011 6:29 pm

What I found puzzling was how could someone who is perfectly aware of Conservative/Republican zealotry and fanaticism and its origins ... by ER 2011-09-10 06:40:46
Holy crap! by Eri 2011-09-09 23:25:52

Miyazaki films to get new theatrical release? by TB September 9, 2011 9:53 am

Drink milk? Read this! Use milk? Read this! by Eri September 8, 2011 6:27 pm

Possible anniversary terror threat? by TB September 8, 2011 5:19 pm

Tea Party violence by TB September 8, 2011 5:10 pm

There's a Law and Order segment on TV right now from 2009. The Tea Party and Libertarians don't come ... by Eri 2011-09-09 14:33:38
- Um...that's fiction, you know. by TB 2011-09-09 14:52:40
  - Ripped from the headlines. by Eri 2011-09-09 23:26:55
    - There are no headlines, Eri. There's only what TV writers want to believe. by TB 2011-09-10 09:52:01
      - Of course there are headlines. I see them every day and then they show up on TV. Jeez, ... by Eri 2011-09-11 05:36:13
        
        Link to one. Actual Tea Party violence even remotely resembling the union actions. by TB 2011-09-11 08:15:15

Is Apollo's past spoiling our future in outer space? by TB September 8, 2011 12:02 pm

Good article but shouldn't it be on Space/Science? by Eri 2011-09-08 18:31:54
- Maybe so, but if I suspect something might start heading political, I put even space-related stuff on CE. by TB 2011-09-08 21:10:34
  - My suggestion would be to post it in Space/Science and if it does take a political turn, then you can ... by Eri 2011-09-09 04:00:47
    - Good point. I keep forgetting how easy it is to shove things around now. by TB 2011-09-09 06:00:43

Hey, who needs jobs? by TB September 8, 2011 11:22 am

Looks like posting this on Flame didn't have the result you intended, TB. by Robert 2011-09-09 18:34:15
- Candy striper EDIT: Perhaps some explanation would be helpful here. I wrote a long post on the version of this ... by ER 2011-09-10 09:41:47
  - Well God knows I never looked like that...;). Back to your CE post on the idea that the kind heart ... by Jody 2011-09-10 10:20:15
- Sorry to disappoint Robert but this guy has taken the blue pill. "You take the blue pill – the story ... by Jody 2011-09-10 07:57:45
  - Okay, I'll bite...who picks who gets to be unemployed? ...and who would pay for it? by Jody 2011-09-10 08:22:47
    - That's easy, Jody. The boss gets to pick who is unemployed, and he never pays, the rest of us ... by ER 2011-09-10 10:11:25
    - You noticed that too, didn't you? by TB 2011-09-10 09:53:29
EDITED: He's right, you know. There have always been less people engaged in productive activity than in pure consumption, ever since ... by ER 2011-09-08 11:59:40
- There's a story that Milton Friedman was touring a big government project somewhere in China or Asia. There were ... by TB 2011-09-08 12:17:43
  - It doesn't matter how clever our technology is, if it can only support itself by denying employment to a large ... by ER 2011-09-08 12:38:16
    - I agree with you. That article is very interesting. A whole new way of perceiving. by Eri 2011-09-08 20:43:56
      - Heh. You guys never disappoint. by TB 2011-09-09 08:02:24
        
        And you, my friend, never surprise. by ER 2011-09-10 07:09:05

FBI raids solar power company by TB September 8, 2011 10:22 am

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