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	<title>Comments on: Should Von Braun have been charged with war crimes?</title>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2022/12/01/should-von-braun-have-been-charged-with-war-crimes/#comment-51300</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2022 22:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He just wanted to make rockets. Didn&#039;t care who for. And he had to have known how and why they were made for the Third Reich, including the underground slave labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He just wanted to make rockets. Didn&#8217;t care who for. And he had to have known how and why they were made for the Third Reich, including the underground slave labor.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2022/12/01/should-von-braun-have-been-charged-with-war-crimes/#comment-51296</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2022 19:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;“As I see it today, Hitler and Goebbels were in fact molded by the mob itself, guided by its yearnings and its daydreams. Of course, Goebbels and Hitler knew how to penetrate through to the instincts of their audiences; but in the deeper sense they derived their whole existence from these audiences. Certainly the masses roared to the beat set by Hitler&#039;s and Goebbels&#039; baton; yet they were not the true conductors. The mob determined the theme. To compensate for misery, insecurity, unemployment, and hopelessness, this anonymous assemblage wallowed for hours at a time in obsessions, savagery and license. The personal unhappiness caused by the breakdown of the economy was replaced by a frenzy that demanded victims. By lashing out at their opponents and vilifying the Jews, they gave expression and direction to fierce primal passions.”
― Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“As I see it today, Hitler and Goebbels were in fact molded by the mob itself, guided by its yearnings and its daydreams. Of course, Goebbels and Hitler knew how to penetrate through to the instincts of their audiences; but in the deeper sense they derived their whole existence from these audiences. Certainly the masses roared to the beat set by Hitler&#8217;s and Goebbels&#8217; baton; yet they were not the true conductors. The mob determined the theme. To compensate for misery, insecurity, unemployment, and hopelessness, this anonymous assemblage wallowed for hours at a time in obsessions, savagery and license. The personal unhappiness caused by the breakdown of the economy was replaced by a frenzy that demanded victims. By lashing out at their opponents and vilifying the Jews, they gave expression and direction to fierce primal passions.”<br />
― Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2022/12/01/should-von-braun-have-been-charged-with-war-crimes/#comment-51295</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2022 19:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was obsessed with it, fanatic about it.  This is particularly remarkable in that the early 20th century, his formative years,  was not a time when space travel seemed remotely possible.  The scientific basis had been worked out, by Goddard, Oberth and Tsiolkovsky, but only Werner could see the engineering was already within reach.  And he lived to see his ship land men on the moon.

von Braun made it all happen, through his superb talents as an engineer, administrator and politician.  He played the Nazis just like he played us, telling us what we both wanted to hear and making promises he probably wasn&#039;t sure he could keep.  He was a man obsessed, and more than any one other person, he made it happen. Without him, we would probably still be working up our way to Sputnik and Apollo.

No one can say for sure WvB knew about the slave labor that went into the V-weapons.  I suspect he did, but I don&#039;t know.  Still, I don&#039;t particularly think he was cruel, or a racist, or an anti-Semite.  He might not even have been a fascist. I just think he didn&#039;t care. I don&#039;t think he was an ideologue at all. What really mattered for him was space travel, and nothing else.  If he had been captured by the Soviets, he would have worked just as hard and skillfully for them as he did for us and for the Nazis.

All he ever cared about was going to the stars, the end justified the means.

Werner von Braun reminds me a lot of Albert Speer.  And like Speer, he succeeded very well in covering his tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was obsessed with it, fanatic about it.  This is particularly remarkable in that the early 20th century, his formative years,  was not a time when space travel seemed remotely possible.  The scientific basis had been worked out, by Goddard, Oberth and Tsiolkovsky, but only Werner could see the engineering was already within reach.  And he lived to see his ship land men on the moon.</p>
<p>von Braun made it all happen, through his superb talents as an engineer, administrator and politician.  He played the Nazis just like he played us, telling us what we both wanted to hear and making promises he probably wasn&#8217;t sure he could keep.  He was a man obsessed, and more than any one other person, he made it happen. Without him, we would probably still be working up our way to Sputnik and Apollo.</p>
<p>No one can say for sure WvB knew about the slave labor that went into the V-weapons.  I suspect he did, but I don&#8217;t know.  Still, I don&#8217;t particularly think he was cruel, or a racist, or an anti-Semite.  He might not even have been a fascist. I just think he didn&#8217;t care. I don&#8217;t think he was an ideologue at all. What really mattered for him was space travel, and nothing else.  If he had been captured by the Soviets, he would have worked just as hard and skillfully for them as he did for us and for the Nazis.</p>
<p>All he ever cared about was going to the stars, the end justified the means.</p>
<p>Werner von Braun reminds me a lot of Albert Speer.  And like Speer, he succeeded very well in covering his tracks.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pebble</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2022/12/01/should-von-braun-have-been-charged-with-war-crimes/#comment-51291</link>
		<dc:creator>Pebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2022 07:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At what point is it acceptable to say the value offered to the community is greater than the harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point is it acceptable to say the value offered to the community is greater than the harm.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2022 02:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was he complicit, or pursuing his own vision? Post WWII, both we and the USSR went about recruiting the brains of the Third Reich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was he complicit, or pursuing his own vision? Post WWII, both we and the USSR went about recruiting the brains of the Third Reich.</p>
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