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	<title>Comments on: Is this what you thought &#8216;winning&#8217; would look like?</title>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2019/09/20/is-this-what-you-think-winning-would-look-like/#comment-43715</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-ukraine-military-aid-delay_n_5d897f5be4b0938b59331dad&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
President Donald Trump reportedly &lt;/a&gt;instructed his acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to delay more than $390 million in military aid to Ukraine. According to The Washington Post, Trump’s demand was made at least a week before his July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president in which Trump allegedly urged Volodymyr Zelensky to dig up dirt on his potential election rival Joe Biden.

The call was reportedly part of a whistleblower complaint concerning Trump that was filed by someone working in U.S. intelligence. Joseph Maguire, the acting director of national intelligence, has refused to turn the complaint over to congressional oversight committees despite facing pressure from Democrats to do so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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<p><a href="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-ukraine-military-aid-delay_n_5d897f5be4b0938b59331dad" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><br />
President Donald Trump reportedly </a>instructed his acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to delay more than $390 million in military aid to Ukraine. According to The Washington Post, Trump’s demand was made at least a week before his July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president in which Trump allegedly urged Volodymyr Zelensky to dig up dirt on his potential election rival Joe Biden.</p>
<p>The call was reportedly part of a whistleblower complaint concerning Trump that was filed by someone working in U.S. intelligence. Joseph Maguire, the acting director of national intelligence, has refused to turn the complaint over to congressional oversight committees despite facing pressure from Democrats to do so.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2019/09/20/is-this-what-you-think-winning-would-look-like/#comment-43701</link>
		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2019 19:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree.

Since I started taking elections seriously, I don&#039;t recall ever not voting a president into his second term ... except for Clinton. It takes more than a single term to see new policies through. As it is now, I did not vote him in, but I will definitely see about voting him out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree.</p>
<p>Since I started taking elections seriously, I don&#8217;t recall ever not voting a president into his second term &#8230; except for Clinton. It takes more than a single term to see new policies through. As it is now, I did not vote him in, but I will definitely see about voting him out.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2019 19:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suddenly, all those things he couldn&#039;t accomplish in the first 4 years because of opposition (from the Congress, the courts, the press, even members of his own party or staff) will be possible.  After all; &quot;If they didn&#039;t impeach me for that, and if I got re-elected, then its obviously OK to try it again; and this time I won&#039;t take no for an answer.&quot;  And everyone will be tired of mounting futile efforts to stop him and just give in to his outrages.  The nation is already suffering from a bad case of Resistance Fatigue, and he will be emboldened to come down hard on his critics.

Its only a short step from stacking the courts and bending the law to simply ignoring them altogether.  Remember, he has two powerful groups on his side, people with guns, and people with money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suddenly, all those things he couldn&#8217;t accomplish in the first 4 years because of opposition (from the Congress, the courts, the press, even members of his own party or staff) will be possible.  After all; &#8220;If they didn&#8217;t impeach me for that, and if I got re-elected, then its obviously OK to try it again; and this time I won&#8217;t take no for an answer.&#8221;  And everyone will be tired of mounting futile efforts to stop him and just give in to his outrages.  The nation is already suffering from a bad case of Resistance Fatigue, and he will be emboldened to come down hard on his critics.</p>
<p>Its only a short step from stacking the courts and bending the law to simply ignoring them altogether.  Remember, he has two powerful groups on his side, people with guns, and people with money.</p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That second term will be the carrot to chomp at until he dies.

Hmm...
Trump ousted from the White House in the coming election might be fun to watch. In fact, on this board, it might become downright hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That second term will be the carrot to chomp at until he dies.</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230;<br />
Trump ousted from the White House in the coming election might be fun to watch. In fact, on this board, it might become downright hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2019 07:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he is given the chance he will burn the world down rather than go down alone...

Anyone with a functional brain could see that Trump was the LAST person that should be given power...

HOW could his supporters have been so blind? HOW can they continue to support these crimes? Haven&#039;t they learned by now that he will continue to drag them further into the sewers?

They genuinely don&#039;t care, they have gone all in, they sacrificed all they claimed to stand for at this last shot for power. If they turn back now, they have to admit they were the hypocritical, amoral fools we always knew they were.

They will happily kill to avoid that... I think it will likely get very bloody before they go down. And if they &#039;win&#039; it will be bloodier still...

This is not about improving their lives for them, this is about destroying the lives of others. THAT is their only agenda now... making others PAY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he is given the chance he will burn the world down rather than go down alone&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyone with a functional brain could see that Trump was the LAST person that should be given power&#8230;</p>
<p>HOW could his supporters have been so blind? HOW can they continue to support these crimes? Haven&#8217;t they learned by now that he will continue to drag them further into the sewers?</p>
<p>They genuinely don&#8217;t care, they have gone all in, they sacrificed all they claimed to stand for at this last shot for power. If they turn back now, they have to admit they were the hypocritical, amoral fools we always knew they were.</p>
<p>They will happily kill to avoid that&#8230; I think it will likely get very bloody before they go down. And if they &#8216;win&#8217; it will be bloodier still&#8230;</p>
<p>This is not about improving their lives for them, this is about destroying the lives of others. THAT is their only agenda now&#8230; making others PAY.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2019/09/20/is-this-what-you-think-winning-would-look-like/#comment-43695</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2019 02:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, pretty much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, pretty much.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2019 02:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is because they define &quot;winning&quot; as &quot;whatever pisses off Liberals&quot;.

Their world view owes much more to hatred of their enemies than it does to any particular philosophy of their own.  This is why even if you happen to agree with them on something they feel the need to change their mind and contradict you.  Obama proved that any policy previously favored (or even originated) by Conservatives would never get GOP approval if proposed by a Progressive.  Remember how they contorted themselves mentally to show how Obamacare was REALLY not the same as Romneycare?

Its a zero-sum gamester mentality at work. They define &quot;success&quot; not as gaining somethiong, but as taking something away from someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is because they define &#8220;winning&#8221; as &#8220;whatever pisses off Liberals&#8221;.</p>
<p>Their world view owes much more to hatred of their enemies than it does to any particular philosophy of their own.  This is why even if you happen to agree with them on something they feel the need to change their mind and contradict you.  Obama proved that any policy previously favored (or even originated) by Conservatives would never get GOP approval if proposed by a Progressive.  Remember how they contorted themselves mentally to show how Obamacare was REALLY not the same as Romneycare?</p>
<p>Its a zero-sum gamester mentality at work. They define &#8220;success&#8221; not as gaining somethiong, but as taking something away from someone else.</p>
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