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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2019/03/14/free-college/#comment-43112</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2019 03:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what the Republicans hated about Obama.  He spoke better English than they did.

The Republican Party may not necessarily be solely populated by ignoramuses, but they have deliberately chosen to go after the ignorant and the functionally illiterate to promote their program.  People who speak good English, read books, are, you know, &quot;intellectual elitists&quot;.

Our history of anti-intellectualism is coming home to roost. The Conservatives are counting on these people to stay in power, and even those Conservatives who aren&#039;t ignoramuses refuse to criticize or educate those who are.  On the contrary, they celebrate and praise them.

This problem isn&#039;t going to go away when Trump does, its going to stay with us until these people are diluted and dispersed by more education...and more immigration.  Sure, the newcomers may not be particularly well educated, but at least, they want their children to be so. They have not been indoctrinated to hate people who speak good English and read books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what the Republicans hated about Obama.  He spoke better English than they did.</p>
<p>The Republican Party may not necessarily be solely populated by ignoramuses, but they have deliberately chosen to go after the ignorant and the functionally illiterate to promote their program.  People who speak good English, read books, are, you know, &#8220;intellectual elitists&#8221;.</p>
<p>Our history of anti-intellectualism is coming home to roost. The Conservatives are counting on these people to stay in power, and even those Conservatives who aren&#8217;t ignoramuses refuse to criticize or educate those who are.  On the contrary, they celebrate and praise them.</p>
<p>This problem isn&#8217;t going to go away when Trump does, its going to stay with us until these people are diluted and dispersed by more education&#8230;and more immigration.  Sure, the newcomers may not be particularly well educated, but at least, they want their children to be so. They have not been indoctrinated to hate people who speak good English and read books.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2019/03/14/free-college/#comment-43111</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2019 03:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s *such* a revealing comment, saying as it does so very much about Trump’s followers. They mock the very notion of being well-read.

Mired in ignorance, they want a president who is the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s *such* a revealing comment, saying as it does so very much about Trump’s followers. They mock the very notion of being well-read.</p>
<p>Mired in ignorance, they want a president who is the same.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2019/03/14/free-college/#comment-43110</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2019 03:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and heap scorn on &#039;intellectuals&#039;, and vilify &#039;liberal&#039; higher education, and slander experts and scientists...

They know quite well that an educated populace is a threat to their power, and so they do all they can to sabotage, to prevent that threat from becoming reality.

And it has worked too well.



&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-and-friends-host-brian-kilmeade-who-cares-that-beto-orourke-reads-books&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Discussing O’Rourke’s launch&lt;/a&gt; on Thursday’s Fox &amp; Friends, Kilmeade grumbled that the magazine “helped launch his campaign.” And then the Fox host obsessed over O’Rourke’s reading habits.

“They also point out that he has this huge library,” he said. “As if it’s a big plus that he reads books.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and heap scorn on &#8216;intellectuals&#8217;, and vilify &#8216;liberal&#8217; higher education, and slander experts and scientists&#8230;</p>
<p>They know quite well that an educated populace is a threat to their power, and so they do all they can to sabotage, to prevent that threat from becoming reality.</p>
<p>And it has worked too well.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-and-friends-host-brian-kilmeade-who-cares-that-beto-orourke-reads-books" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Discussing O’Rourke’s launch</a> on Thursday’s Fox &#038; Friends, Kilmeade grumbled that the magazine “helped launch his campaign.” And then the Fox host obsessed over O’Rourke’s reading habits.</p>
<p>“They also point out that he has this huge library,” he said. “As if it’s a big plus that he reads books.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2019/03/14/free-college/#comment-43107</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory as to its origin is that America was settled by the landless masses of Europe, and that they came here to break the monopoly on land ownership held by European aristocracies.  In America, land was free and widely available, all you had to do was steal it from the Indians and import slaves to work it.

However, once the settlers got here, they found that all the good land was already taken by earlier waves of immigrants, and they were forced to go deeper and deeper into the wild and dangerous interior to get their share.  The earlier waves were already established, had all the land suitable for plantation agriculture (the real moneymaker!) and had aped the refined and cultured lifestyle of European aristocrats.  The new, poor settlers WANTED to live like aristocrats, but they hated and envied them too, and the big landowners, merchants, manufacturers and professionals in the colonies (the &quot;gentlemen of property&quot; we now like to call &quot;the founding fathers&quot;) hated the white trash newcomers and saw them as uncouth, social-climbing, johnny-come-lately rabble.  Even if they made it through hard work and sheer grit, the old landed gentry just saw the new ones as &lt;em&gt;nouveau riches&lt;/em&gt; In other words, we had invented our own new aristocracy,one based on wealth and education instead of inherited nobility.

Plebeian America developed a hatred of intellectuals and education, unless it was associated with land and money (business).  It is considered fine to be clever when it comes to business, or street smarts, or sports, but not in those areas that were associated with the upper crust. So it became easy to hate education and refinement as affectation and snobbery, but of course, social climbers are not likely to treat the accumulation of wealth and power with the same righteous and democratic disdain.

This did not stop our own aristocrats from being progressive and intellectual by the standards of their time, the ruling classes of colonial America were remarkable and formidable men: scholars, soldiers, lawmakers, planters, busnissmen, merchants and more. They combined intellectual achievement with practical acumen; men of action and men of letters. Even the decadent intelligentsia of 18th century Europe admired and grudgingly respected our Franklins and our Jeffersons and our Washingtons. But our common citizens always saw them as just &quot;uppity&quot;. (There&#039;s that word again.)

It lasts to this day, it is not considered socially acceptable to be smart, and certainly not to display it openly if you are.  The poor, and even the not-so-poor, flaunted their &quot;just plain folks&quot; ideal in a variety of ways, including adopting manners of speech and accents that disguised whatever economic success or education they might have achieved otherwise.  This attitude is present to some extent throughout the New World, but for some reason became most prominent in the British colonies later to be associated as the United States, particularly those colonies most suited for plantation agriculture.

I should make clear that this anti-intellectualism, this casting of all intelligence and education as conceited, treasonous, effeminate, and cowardly has nothing to do with our blood or genes or race.  It is purely cultural, the result of social and historical forces operating blindly in the background. It is just a perfect storm of random influences, that, of course, has been maliciously exploited and magnified by unscrupulous political and economic interests.  Americans are no dumber or smarter than anyone else in the world, but they act really stupid in public, as if they were ashamed of whatever culture and refinement they might have.

Yeah, maybe you haven&#039;t noticed it, just as fish don&#039;t notice the water they swim in.  But I&#039;ve noticed it.  And my family and acquaintances in my immigrant community certainly noticed it and remarked on it at length. It forms a big part of our stereotype of &quot;American&quot;, and like all stereotypes, it is exaggerated and unfair, but there is a kernel of truth to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory as to its origin is that America was settled by the landless masses of Europe, and that they came here to break the monopoly on land ownership held by European aristocracies.  In America, land was free and widely available, all you had to do was steal it from the Indians and import slaves to work it.</p>
<p>However, once the settlers got here, they found that all the good land was already taken by earlier waves of immigrants, and they were forced to go deeper and deeper into the wild and dangerous interior to get their share.  The earlier waves were already established, had all the land suitable for plantation agriculture (the real moneymaker!) and had aped the refined and cultured lifestyle of European aristocrats.  The new, poor settlers WANTED to live like aristocrats, but they hated and envied them too, and the big landowners, merchants, manufacturers and professionals in the colonies (the &#8220;gentlemen of property&#8221; we now like to call &#8220;the founding fathers&#8221;) hated the white trash newcomers and saw them as uncouth, social-climbing, johnny-come-lately rabble.  Even if they made it through hard work and sheer grit, the old landed gentry just saw the new ones as <em>nouveau riches</em> In other words, we had invented our own new aristocracy,one based on wealth and education instead of inherited nobility.</p>
<p>Plebeian America developed a hatred of intellectuals and education, unless it was associated with land and money (business).  It is considered fine to be clever when it comes to business, or street smarts, or sports, but not in those areas that were associated with the upper crust. So it became easy to hate education and refinement as affectation and snobbery, but of course, social climbers are not likely to treat the accumulation of wealth and power with the same righteous and democratic disdain.</p>
<p>This did not stop our own aristocrats from being progressive and intellectual by the standards of their time, the ruling classes of colonial America were remarkable and formidable men: scholars, soldiers, lawmakers, planters, busnissmen, merchants and more. They combined intellectual achievement with practical acumen; men of action and men of letters. Even the decadent intelligentsia of 18th century Europe admired and grudgingly respected our Franklins and our Jeffersons and our Washingtons. But our common citizens always saw them as just &#8220;uppity&#8221;. (There&#8217;s that word again.)</p>
<p>It lasts to this day, it is not considered socially acceptable to be smart, and certainly not to display it openly if you are.  The poor, and even the not-so-poor, flaunted their &#8220;just plain folks&#8221; ideal in a variety of ways, including adopting manners of speech and accents that disguised whatever economic success or education they might have achieved otherwise.  This attitude is present to some extent throughout the New World, but for some reason became most prominent in the British colonies later to be associated as the United States, particularly those colonies most suited for plantation agriculture.</p>
<p>I should make clear that this anti-intellectualism, this casting of all intelligence and education as conceited, treasonous, effeminate, and cowardly has nothing to do with our blood or genes or race.  It is purely cultural, the result of social and historical forces operating blindly in the background. It is just a perfect storm of random influences, that, of course, has been maliciously exploited and magnified by unscrupulous political and economic interests.  Americans are no dumber or smarter than anyone else in the world, but they act really stupid in public, as if they were ashamed of whatever culture and refinement they might have.</p>
<p>Yeah, maybe you haven&#8217;t noticed it, just as fish don&#8217;t notice the water they swim in.  But I&#8217;ve noticed it.  And my family and acquaintances in my immigrant community certainly noticed it and remarked on it at length. It forms a big part of our stereotype of &#8220;American&#8221;, and like all stereotypes, it is exaggerated and unfair, but there is a kernel of truth to it.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2019/03/14/free-college/#comment-43106</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that someone who isn’t rich might get something of value “for free,” or the possible rise of a genuinely well-educated electorate?

Or—save us, American Jesus!—both at the same time???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that someone who isn’t rich might get something of value “for free,” or the possible rise of a genuinely well-educated electorate?</p>
<p>Or—save us, American Jesus!—both at the same time???</p>
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