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	<title>Comments on: A simple parachute landing for a Mars rover.</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2018/03/29/a-simple-parachute-landing-for-a-mars-rover/#comment-41325</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 04:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unarguably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unarguably.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2018/03/29/a-simple-parachute-landing-for-a-mars-rover/#comment-41324</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2018 19:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard the explanation once, but forgot the details.

Landing on Mars is hard because you approach the top of the Martian atmosphere at Martian escape velocity + whatever orbital velocity you have when you get there.

However, the Martian atmosphere is extremely thin, so it provides little frictional braking and little for a parachute to get a grip on.  And any propulsion system you have aboard to help you slow down means less mass is available for working payload.

These factors interact in complex ways, which explains some of the elaborate solutions to the landing problem we have devised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard the explanation once, but forgot the details.</p>
<p>Landing on Mars is hard because you approach the top of the Martian atmosphere at Martian escape velocity + whatever orbital velocity you have when you get there.</p>
<p>However, the Martian atmosphere is extremely thin, so it provides little frictional braking and little for a parachute to get a grip on.  And any propulsion system you have aboard to help you slow down means less mass is available for working payload.</p>
<p>These factors interact in complex ways, which explains some of the elaborate solutions to the landing problem we have devised.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2018/03/29/a-simple-parachute-landing-for-a-mars-rover/#comment-41323</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2018 18:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your question sent me on a little research trek, because it&#039;s an interesting one. My first guess would&#039;ve been weight, but I think the ESA rover might be even heavier: a metric tonne versus Curiosity&#039;s English ton. Still, that was the reason given in one of the better articles I could find, from space.com (https://www.space.com/16889-mars-rover-curiosity-sky-crane-landing.html). Yet when I think about it, the issue of weight with a parachute should be solved by simple scaling. (BTW, the space.com article describes Curiosity as using a &quot;huge&quot; parachute at first, but I couldn&#039;t find the exact size lazily).

The most compelling reason I can see for the sky crane design was that the powered carrier deposited the rover on the surface then flew some distance away before crash-landing. Minimizing contamination of the landing site with rocket exhaust byproducts makes a lot of sense. Second, it was observed that a rover atop a landing platform with legs is top-heavy and unstable. It worked for smaller craft like Pathfinder, Spirit, and Opportunity, but these are the big leagues now (these craft are approaching the scale of the craft required to land humans on Mars).

Why not air-bags? Well, I think weight is one answer, again. And personally, I think the idea carries a lot of risk, with the possibility of popping a bag and destabilizing the beachball as it rolls across Mars, plus the greater shocks transmitted to the rover compared to a deliberate soft landing.

To me, the big drawback of parachutes is the difficulty of steering them. We now have technology to design landing systems that can look at the ground and pick the best spot in range. They can not only avoid catastrophe, they can pick the best site, something that&#039;s important if the lander is a rover that has to move away from the landing site. No good coming to a perfect landing inside a crater with impassable walls. The ESA lander can work with that, since its mission is to drill and I&#039;m pretty sure it isn&#039;t intended to rove to another site first.

Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your question sent me on a little research trek, because it&#8217;s an interesting one. My first guess would&#8217;ve been weight, but I think the ESA rover might be even heavier: a metric tonne versus Curiosity&#8217;s English ton. Still, that was the reason given in one of the better articles I could find, from space.com (<a href="https://www.space.com/16889-mars-rover-curiosity-sky-crane-landing.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.space.com/16889-mars-rover-curiosity-sky-crane-landing.html</a>). Yet when I think about it, the issue of weight with a parachute should be solved by simple scaling. (BTW, the space.com article describes Curiosity as using a &#8220;huge&#8221; parachute at first, but I couldn&#8217;t find the exact size lazily).</p>
<p>The most compelling reason I can see for the sky crane design was that the powered carrier deposited the rover on the surface then flew some distance away before crash-landing. Minimizing contamination of the landing site with rocket exhaust byproducts makes a lot of sense. Second, it was observed that a rover atop a landing platform with legs is top-heavy and unstable. It worked for smaller craft like Pathfinder, Spirit, and Opportunity, but these are the big leagues now (these craft are approaching the scale of the craft required to land humans on Mars).</p>
<p>Why not air-bags? Well, I think weight is one answer, again. And personally, I think the idea carries a lot of risk, with the possibility of popping a bag and destabilizing the beachball as it rolls across Mars, plus the greater shocks transmitted to the rover compared to a deliberate soft landing.</p>
<p>To me, the big drawback of parachutes is the difficulty of steering them. We now have technology to design landing systems that can look at the ground and pick the best spot in range. They can not only avoid catastrophe, they can pick the best site, something that&#8217;s important if the lander is a rover that has to move away from the landing site. No good coming to a perfect landing inside a crater with impassable walls. The ESA lander can work with that, since its mission is to drill and I&#8217;m pretty sure it isn&#8217;t intended to rove to another site first.</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2018 02:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew there were good reasons why they had to go with that elaborate Rube Goldberg bootstrap/skyhook system. It had something to do with the light gravity and thin air, I think, although I don&#039;t remember exactly why. But what have they figured out now that allows them to use a much more straightforward system?</description>
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