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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2018/02/22/trump-wants-%20-of-our-teachers-packing-guns/#comment-41114</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they hear news they don&#039;t like, about guns, or global warming, or their President Trump, it simply has to be a Liberal conspiracy. The only way they can respond is with violence.

You know, RL is right.  Maybe all Conservatives don&#039;t believe this nonsense, but the fact that you&#039;ve tolerated it in your ranks means you own this now.  Like the German Right in the 1930s and their backing of the NAZIs, you supported them even though you thought they were clowns and fools.  You thought they&#039;d do your dirty work for you and then you could easily control them later.

Well, they were wrong, and so are you.  You&#039;ve created a monster and it will turn on you and drag the nation into chaos.  The best you can hope for now is for a Liberal backlash that will stop them, and you, once and for all.  But I have a feeling you will not like the world that comes after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they hear news they don&#8217;t like, about guns, or global warming, or their President Trump, it simply has to be a Liberal conspiracy. The only way they can respond is with violence.</p>
<p>You know, RL is right.  Maybe all Conservatives don&#8217;t believe this nonsense, but the fact that you&#8217;ve tolerated it in your ranks means you own this now.  Like the German Right in the 1930s and their backing of the NAZIs, you supported them even though you thought they were clowns and fools.  You thought they&#8217;d do your dirty work for you and then you could easily control them later.</p>
<p>Well, they were wrong, and so are you.  You&#8217;ve created a monster and it will turn on you and drag the nation into chaos.  The best you can hope for now is for a Liberal backlash that will stop them, and you, once and for all.  But I have a feeling you will not like the world that comes after.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2018/02/22/trump-wants-%20-of-our-teachers-packing-guns/#comment-41112</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/how-a-survivor-of-the-florida-school-shooting-became-the-victim-of-an-online-conspiracy/2018/02/21/d54083a0-172e-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.71e8ced8b3ed&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/how-a-survivor-of-the-florida-school-shooting-became-the-victim-of-an-online-conspiracy/2018/02/21/d54083a0-172e-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.71e8ced8b3ed&lt;/a&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Conspiracy theories around “crisis actors” — feigning grief and working to build support for tougher gun laws — start with a premise that the event never occurred, according to Kate Starbird, a University of Washington professor who runs a lab that tracks the spread of online rumors after disasters.

Starbird said her lab has documented both domestic sites and some tied to foreign governments in Russia and Iran amplifying the narratives, including after the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando in 2016.

“The goal seems to be to want to undermine the collective response to tragedy,” she said. They hark back to “a high-level narrative, which is the media is lying . . . and you can’t trust anything you see.”

Hogg’s mother, Rebecca Boldrick, an elementary school teacher, scoffed at the conspiracy theories growing online about her son and other Parkland students. She said her husband, a Republican, worked for the FBI as an agent at airports in Los Angeles and Florida before retiring from the bureau in October 2016.

Kevin Hogg, 51, left the FBI because he had been diagnosed with early-onset Parkinson’s ­disease several years earlier, Boldrick said. The family has not previously revealed this fact publicly because her husband is embarrassed, she said.

The wild allegations online have also taken on a more dangerous tone, she said. Boldrick said her family has received death threats online.

“I’m under so much stress,” she said describing her state a week after the shooting. “I’m angry and exhausted. Angry, exhausted and extremely proud.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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<blockquote><p>Conspiracy theories around “crisis actors” — feigning grief and working to build support for tougher gun laws — start with a premise that the event never occurred, according to Kate Starbird, a University of Washington professor who runs a lab that tracks the spread of online rumors after disasters.</p>
<p>Starbird said her lab has documented both domestic sites and some tied to foreign governments in Russia and Iran amplifying the narratives, including after the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando in 2016.</p>
<p>“The goal seems to be to want to undermine the collective response to tragedy,” she said. They hark back to “a high-level narrative, which is the media is lying . . . and you can’t trust anything you see.”</p>
<p>Hogg’s mother, Rebecca Boldrick, an elementary school teacher, scoffed at the conspiracy theories growing online about her son and other Parkland students. She said her husband, a Republican, worked for the FBI as an agent at airports in Los Angeles and Florida before retiring from the bureau in October 2016.</p>
<p>Kevin Hogg, 51, left the FBI because he had been diagnosed with early-onset Parkinson’s ­disease several years earlier, Boldrick said. The family has not previously revealed this fact publicly because her husband is embarrassed, she said.</p>
<p>The wild allegations online have also taken on a more dangerous tone, she said. Boldrick said her family has received death threats online.</p>
<p>“I’m under so much stress,” she said describing her state a week after the shooting. “I’m angry and exhausted. Angry, exhausted and extremely proud.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2018/02/22/trump-wants-%20-of-our-teachers-packing-guns/#comment-41111</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the guy will be alive next week...
Or will he be the last victim of the shooting... tried and condemned by the president before any investigation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the guy will be alive next week&#8230;<br />
Or will he be the last victim of the shooting&#8230; tried and condemned by the president before any investigation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2018/02/22/trump-wants-%20-of-our-teachers-packing-guns/#comment-41110</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a trained, armed, uniformed officer has failed to confront a shooter in a school.  There has been at least one other case of this occurring in the US, as I heard on the news this morning. 
I suspect that this is not unusual when the armed intruder has a clear and overwhelming advantage in firepowe, like an assault rifle and multiple high capacity magazines. There may very well have been some other very good reason for this, I don&#039;t want to judge someone when I don&#039;t know all the details. But the fact is that sometimes a good guy with a gun doesn&#039;t kill a bad guy with a gun, and sometimes he dies trying.

In the Gabby Giffords shooting incident there was an armed concealed- carry licensee on scene and he wisely chose not to draw his own weapon.  He correctly reasoned that a gunfight in a panicky crowd might cause even more casualties, and he realized that if there was a third armed person present he himself might have become a target. Instead, he bravely tackled the shooter and helped others subdue him until police arrived.

Firearms do not solve security problems.  They just change them, and not always for the better.  

Besides, when someone decides to carry out a mass shooting, its not likely the mere threat of armed resistance is going to deter him, as our brave, warrior president seems to think.  I have a feeling the mass shooter is already resigned to his own death by police bullet, he is expecting armed resistance and he is fully prepared for it.

As usual, the tough-guy NRA gun nut-type strategies to supposedly deter and neutralize muckers are just what you would expect from cowards and armchair Rambos who have never been in these situations and not fully thought them out.  Even dedicated and trained professionals, such as police and soldiers, never know how they will react in a panic scenario.  People hesitate, and they freeze, or they make mistakes.  That same radio show I spoke of mentioned the case of an officer who was confronted by a murderous shooter during a routine stop.  Rather than drawing his weapon, he ran away, tripping and stumbling onto the ground.  When his training finally kicked in and he got up to confront the gunman, he did not realize his gun had fallen out of his holster when he fell and he found himself pointing the finger of an empty hand at his assailant.  I wonder if he said; &quot;bang, bang&quot;.

In highly stressful situations, people cannot be trusted to react appropriately. Thoughtful, smart people know this.  Careful screening and intense training is useful, but it doesn&#039;t always work either.  Only long experience can build up the confidence to go into combat with some degree of assurance you will emerge alive.  As for myself, I do not know how I would react in a situation that desperate.  I&#039;m pretty sure I could shoot an intruder who broke into my home, but I&#039;m not certain I wouldn&#039;t panic or freeze.  No one knows until they&#039;ve been there.  I know myself well enough that I would never carry a weapon &lt;em&gt;outside&lt;/em&gt; my home where I might be tempted to use it unnecessarily, or worse, bungle it when I did.

Gun nuts aren&#039;t too bright. They don&#039;t think these things through. They are arrogant, overconfident, and inexperienced; a bad combination for a man carrying a deadly weapon into an uncertain place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a trained, armed, uniformed officer has failed to confront a shooter in a school.  There has been at least one other case of this occurring in the US, as I heard on the news this morning.<br />
I suspect that this is not unusual when the armed intruder has a clear and overwhelming advantage in firepowe, like an assault rifle and multiple high capacity magazines. There may very well have been some other very good reason for this, I don&#8217;t want to judge someone when I don&#8217;t know all the details. But the fact is that sometimes a good guy with a gun doesn&#8217;t kill a bad guy with a gun, and sometimes he dies trying.</p>
<p>In the Gabby Giffords shooting incident there was an armed concealed- carry licensee on scene and he wisely chose not to draw his own weapon.  He correctly reasoned that a gunfight in a panicky crowd might cause even more casualties, and he realized that if there was a third armed person present he himself might have become a target. Instead, he bravely tackled the shooter and helped others subdue him until police arrived.</p>
<p>Firearms do not solve security problems.  They just change them, and not always for the better.  </p>
<p>Besides, when someone decides to carry out a mass shooting, its not likely the mere threat of armed resistance is going to deter him, as our brave, warrior president seems to think.  I have a feeling the mass shooter is already resigned to his own death by police bullet, he is expecting armed resistance and he is fully prepared for it.</p>
<p>As usual, the tough-guy NRA gun nut-type strategies to supposedly deter and neutralize muckers are just what you would expect from cowards and armchair Rambos who have never been in these situations and not fully thought them out.  Even dedicated and trained professionals, such as police and soldiers, never know how they will react in a panic scenario.  People hesitate, and they freeze, or they make mistakes.  That same radio show I spoke of mentioned the case of an officer who was confronted by a murderous shooter during a routine stop.  Rather than drawing his weapon, he ran away, tripping and stumbling onto the ground.  When his training finally kicked in and he got up to confront the gunman, he did not realize his gun had fallen out of his holster when he fell and he found himself pointing the finger of an empty hand at his assailant.  I wonder if he said; &#8220;bang, bang&#8221;.</p>
<p>In highly stressful situations, people cannot be trusted to react appropriately. Thoughtful, smart people know this.  Careful screening and intense training is useful, but it doesn&#8217;t always work either.  Only long experience can build up the confidence to go into combat with some degree of assurance you will emerge alive.  As for myself, I do not know how I would react in a situation that desperate.  I&#8217;m pretty sure I could shoot an intruder who broke into my home, but I&#8217;m not certain I wouldn&#8217;t panic or freeze.  No one knows until they&#8217;ve been there.  I know myself well enough that I would never carry a weapon <em>outside</em> my home where I might be tempted to use it unnecessarily, or worse, bungle it when I did.</p>
<p>Gun nuts aren&#8217;t too bright. They don&#8217;t think these things through. They are arrogant, overconfident, and inexperienced; a bad combination for a man carrying a deadly weapon into an uncertain place.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2018/02/22/trump-wants-%20-of-our-teachers-packing-guns/#comment-41109</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/22/armed-sheriffs-deputy-stayed-outside-florida-school-while-mass-killing-took-place/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_pn-fladeputy-625pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&amp;utm_term=.2feb8c779b87&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/22/armed-sheriffs-deputy-stayed-outside-florida-school-while-mass-killing-took-place/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_pn-fladeputy-625pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&amp;utm_term=.2feb8c779b87&lt;/a&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;The armed school resource officer assigned to protect students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School took a defensive position outside the school and did not enter the building while the shooter was killing students and teachers inside with an AR-15 assault-style rifle, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Thursday.

Israel said he suspended School Resource Deputy Scot Peterson on Thursday after seeing a video from the Parkland, Fla., school that showed Peterson outside the school building where the shooter was inside and attacking.

“What I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of Building 12, take up a position, and never went in,” Israel said.

He said Peterson was armed, and was in uniform, and should have gone into the building during the 6-minute event, which left 17 people, most of them teenagers, dead. When asked what the deputy should have done, Israel said: “Went in and addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A TRAINED &#039;good guy with a gun&#039; made no difference- and now they want teachers to take on mass murderers ...

Insanity is what is killing people, but it is the insanity of the NRA and their GOP whores.

I don&#039;t think its fair to judge the deputy- no one knows what they will really do in such a situation... </description>
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<blockquote><p>The armed school resource officer assigned to protect students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School took a defensive position outside the school and did not enter the building while the shooter was killing students and teachers inside with an AR-15 assault-style rifle, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Thursday.</p>
<p>Israel said he suspended School Resource Deputy Scot Peterson on Thursday after seeing a video from the Parkland, Fla., school that showed Peterson outside the school building where the shooter was inside and attacking.</p>
<p>“What I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of Building 12, take up a position, and never went in,” Israel said.</p>
<p>He said Peterson was armed, and was in uniform, and should have gone into the building during the 6-minute event, which left 17 people, most of them teenagers, dead. When asked what the deputy should have done, Israel said: “Went in and addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”</p></blockquote>
<p>A TRAINED &#8216;good guy with a gun&#8217; made no difference- and now they want teachers to take on mass murderers &#8230;</p>
<p>Insanity is what is killing people, but it is the insanity of the NRA and their GOP whores.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think its fair to judge the deputy- no one knows what they will really do in such a situation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2018 00:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see it now--the &quot;Schoolmarm&quot;, available in Blued or Nickel finish. It fits nicely in a purse--or in a desk drawer, right next to the grade book, and chambered in a variety of calibers as either a revolver or a semi-auto.

For gentlemen, there will be the &quot;Professor&quot;, available in small bore only.  And for those who prefer not to be identified with faggot elitists and artsy-fartsy intellectuals, how about the &quot;Coach .45&quot;, a big gun for a big man.  Long gun fan?  Try out the &quot;ROTC&quot; model.  Bookworms and Librarians?  We can sell them &quot;The Scholar&quot;, a weapon with true Pomp and Circumstance.  And I can&#039;t wait to see the prom dress and tuxedo fitted out with matching concealable holsters and ammo pouches.

And of course, the NRA could get involved in training, lots of buck$ there, plus opportunity for that most civic-minded and patriotic of industry lobbies to really get entrenched in the administration and licensing aspect of this new American institution.

The graph tells it all.  America is the outlier, way out there, all by itself.  The fact we are even considering this lunatic idea tells us how desperate and perverse 2nd Amendment America has become.  That the President has seriously proposed this is truly astonishing. Truly, we are the laughingstock of the world.

But why stop at arming teachers?  Lets carry this out to its logical conclusion:  lets arm the students!  Give every kid a gun, no one would dare attack a school where EVERYBODY was packing heat.  If the kid&#039;s family can&#039;t afford a piece, set up a program where taxpayer-subsidized guns would be distributed to minority kids.  What better way to teach them responsibility and self-reliance, not to mention it would solve the bully problem overnight.

This is what happens when we let people who marry their cousins vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see it now&#8211;the &#8220;Schoolmarm&#8221;, available in Blued or Nickel finish. It fits nicely in a purse&#8211;or in a desk drawer, right next to the grade book, and chambered in a variety of calibers as either a revolver or a semi-auto.</p>
<p>For gentlemen, there will be the &#8220;Professor&#8221;, available in small bore only.  And for those who prefer not to be identified with faggot elitists and artsy-fartsy intellectuals, how about the &#8220;Coach .45&#8243;, a big gun for a big man.  Long gun fan?  Try out the &#8220;ROTC&#8221; model.  Bookworms and Librarians?  We can sell them &#8220;The Scholar&#8221;, a weapon with true Pomp and Circumstance.  And I can&#8217;t wait to see the prom dress and tuxedo fitted out with matching concealable holsters and ammo pouches.</p>
<p>And of course, the NRA could get involved in training, lots of buck$ there, plus opportunity for that most civic-minded and patriotic of industry lobbies to really get entrenched in the administration and licensing aspect of this new American institution.</p>
<p>The graph tells it all.  America is the outlier, way out there, all by itself.  The fact we are even considering this lunatic idea tells us how desperate and perverse 2nd Amendment America has become.  That the President has seriously proposed this is truly astonishing. Truly, we are the laughingstock of the world.</p>
<p>But why stop at arming teachers?  Lets carry this out to its logical conclusion:  lets arm the students!  Give every kid a gun, no one would dare attack a school where EVERYBODY was packing heat.  If the kid&#8217;s family can&#8217;t afford a piece, set up a program where taxpayer-subsidized guns would be distributed to minority kids.  What better way to teach them responsibility and self-reliance, not to mention it would solve the bully problem overnight.</p>
<p>This is what happens when we let people who marry their cousins vote.</p>
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