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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2017/11/24/yomama-light-curve-data-and-analysis/#comment-40578</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 04:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fourmilab.ch/cship/craft.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;At relativistic speeds the background radiation becomes a drag force...&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1508/1508.00534.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another paper&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fourmilab.ch/cship/craft.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">At relativistic speeds the background radiation becomes a drag force&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1508/1508.00534.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Another paper</a></p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2017/11/24/yomama-light-curve-data-and-analysis/#comment-40577</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 03:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re better off prepping a mission to the next interstellar visitor than trying to catch up with the last one.  In a few years, our detection technology will be a lot better, we&#039;ll have time to get ready and the sooner we launch the better for this type of mission.  A high relative velocity one-way fly-by or even a deliberate collision might be possible even with current chemical rocket technology, given enough time to get ready.  But I doubt matching speeds with it would be realistic without some sort of exotic propulsion system.

One of the big problems with Clarke&#039;s Rendezvous with Rama was that the Earth spacecraft sent to intercept it was able to come alongside the object at all.  One would expect that any extraterrestrial craft would pass through the solar system at velocities which would demand relativistic speeds on the part of the pursuit craft, even if the pursued object was NOT traveling at relativistic speeds..  And of course, you have to brake to be able to come alongside and board it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re better off prepping a mission to the next interstellar visitor than trying to catch up with the last one.  In a few years, our detection technology will be a lot better, we&#8217;ll have time to get ready and the sooner we launch the better for this type of mission.  A high relative velocity one-way fly-by or even a deliberate collision might be possible even with current chemical rocket technology, given enough time to get ready.  But I doubt matching speeds with it would be realistic without some sort of exotic propulsion system.</p>
<p>One of the big problems with Clarke&#8217;s Rendezvous with Rama was that the Earth spacecraft sent to intercept it was able to come alongside the object at all.  One would expect that any extraterrestrial craft would pass through the solar system at velocities which would demand relativistic speeds on the part of the pursuit craft, even if the pursued object was NOT traveling at relativistic speeds..  And of course, you have to brake to be able to come alongside and board it!</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2017/11/24/yomama-light-curve-data-and-analysis/#comment-40576</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 03:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upstream is the solar apex, the place in the sky the sun seems to be rushing towards, due to our place in the galactic rotation.  Its in the general direction of the star Vega. Except Vega wasn&#039;t there when the object was cruising through its present vicinity.  Vega also has its own proper motion through the LSR. In the time it takes this object to travel even one light year, the night sky changes completely in appearance as the stars slowly wander around the Local Standard of Rest, moving at speeds roughly comparable to the object. And Vega is a relative neighbor, only 26 light years away.

After it&#039;s slingshot around the sun, I don&#039;t know where this rock is headed now, but at its current speed it won&#039;t be getting anywhere for thousands of years.  You have to keep in mind, any technology capable of interstellar travel speeds will not have to rely on gravity-assist maneuvers.

If this object was ejected from some other solar system, it may have happened many billions of years ago; both the sun and its parent star may have made many revolutions about the galactic nucleus since then.  Its parent star may not even exist any more. This is just another mote of dust adrift in the void.  Just like us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upstream is the solar apex, the place in the sky the sun seems to be rushing towards, due to our place in the galactic rotation.  Its in the general direction of the star Vega. Except Vega wasn&#8217;t there when the object was cruising through its present vicinity.  Vega also has its own proper motion through the LSR. In the time it takes this object to travel even one light year, the night sky changes completely in appearance as the stars slowly wander around the Local Standard of Rest, moving at speeds roughly comparable to the object. And Vega is a relative neighbor, only 26 light years away.</p>
<p>After it&#8217;s slingshot around the sun, I don&#8217;t know where this rock is headed now, but at its current speed it won&#8217;t be getting anywhere for thousands of years.  You have to keep in mind, any technology capable of interstellar travel speeds will not have to rely on gravity-assist maneuvers.</p>
<p>If this object was ejected from some other solar system, it may have happened many billions of years ago; both the sun and its parent star may have made many revolutions about the galactic nucleus since then.  Its parent star may not even exist any more. This is just another mote of dust adrift in the void.  Just like us.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 03:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, the object is tumbling.  Its hard to visualize how a rotating object could erode into that shape if the axis of rotation was not perfectly aligned with the direction of travel.  And its not really going fast enough for the interstellar medium to abrade its surface.  The moon gets the same treatment and its still spherical. I still think they&#039;ve got the shape of this thing all wrong, although I can&#039;t suggest a reason why.

It&#039;s tempting to fantasize this object as some sort of ETI interstellar probe, but the facts just don&#039;t add up.  Its velocity relative to the Local Standard of Rest suggests it is just drifting along in the stream of stars just like we are.  Any interstellar vehicle would be moving along at a speed of at least several hundreds of km/sec, not several tens of km/sec.  And an ETI that couldn&#039;t work up at least a few thousand km/sec would not be very technologically interesting. At its current slow speed, it would not require a needle configuration to slip easily through the interstellar medium.

No, except for its odd shape, (which may turn out to be some misinterpretation of data after all) this thing is pretty much what we would expect for some ordinary rock or iceball.  Now that we have the tech to spot these guys, I expect we&#039;re going to be seeing a whole lot more of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, the object is tumbling.  Its hard to visualize how a rotating object could erode into that shape if the axis of rotation was not perfectly aligned with the direction of travel.  And its not really going fast enough for the interstellar medium to abrade its surface.  The moon gets the same treatment and its still spherical. I still think they&#8217;ve got the shape of this thing all wrong, although I can&#8217;t suggest a reason why.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tempting to fantasize this object as some sort of ETI interstellar probe, but the facts just don&#8217;t add up.  Its velocity relative to the Local Standard of Rest suggests it is just drifting along in the stream of stars just like we are.  Any interstellar vehicle would be moving along at a speed of at least several hundreds of km/sec, not several tens of km/sec.  And an ETI that couldn&#8217;t work up at least a few thousand km/sec would not be very technologically interesting. At its current slow speed, it would not require a needle configuration to slip easily through the interstellar medium.</p>
<p>No, except for its odd shape, (which may turn out to be some misinterpretation of data after all) this thing is pretty much what we would expect for some ordinary rock or iceball.  Now that we have the tech to spot these guys, I expect we&#8217;re going to be seeing a whole lot more of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 01:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Needle ships&quot; are a common trope in science fiction, ships whose long and narrow needle shape presented the smallest cross-section to the interstellar medium. They also tend to be very large, hundreds of kilometers long, to house those Mighty Engines in a small internal volume.

Where I&#039;m going doesn&#039;t have to involve ships. Wouldn&#039;t you think that a natural object that had been travelling through interstellar space for a long time, possibly millions of years, at a respectable speed, might have been abraded down to that shape?

It&#039;s also speculated that if we but watch closer, we&#039;ll spot more of these ISOs. So if the second and third turn out to have that characteristic shape (and we confirm they&#039;re not actually &quot;needle ships&quot; by close-up observation using probes waiting for the sightings, next time), that might confirm my idle notion,.

The next one might be a lumpy potato. Hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Needle ships&#8221; are a common trope in science fiction, ships whose long and narrow needle shape presented the smallest cross-section to the interstellar medium. They also tend to be very large, hundreds of kilometers long, to house those Mighty Engines in a small internal volume.</p>
<p>Where I&#8217;m going doesn&#8217;t have to involve ships. Wouldn&#8217;t you think that a natural object that had been travelling through interstellar space for a long time, possibly millions of years, at a respectable speed, might have been abraded down to that shape?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also speculated that if we but watch closer, we&#8217;ll spot more of these ISOs. So if the second and third turn out to have that characteristic shape (and we confirm they&#8217;re not actually &#8220;needle ships&#8221; by close-up observation using probes waiting for the sightings, next time), that might confirm my idle notion,.</p>
<p>The next one might be a lumpy potato. Hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 01:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as speculating about the Rama Scenario goes, even if we can&#039;t visit, it&#039;s likely the trajectory will yield up some clues. Changes, of course, would be an obvious smoking &lt;strike&gt;cigar&lt;/strike&gt;gun. But there don&#039;t have to be course corrections for the object to still be intentionally on a slingshot trajectory. &quot;They&quot; could be just as good as JPL at that maneuver.
&lt;img src=&quot;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/A2017_U1_orbit-Oct25_2017.png/481px-A2017_U1_orbit-Oct25_2017.png&quot; /&gt;

What I want to know is, is there anything along that extrapolated trajectory within a few light years? Is there a reason to suspect an opportunistic use of the Sun, versus an accidental hyperbola?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as speculating about the Rama Scenario goes, even if we can&#8217;t visit, it&#8217;s likely the trajectory will yield up some clues. Changes, of course, would be an obvious smoking <strike>cigar</strike>gun. But there don&#8217;t have to be course corrections for the object to still be intentionally on a slingshot trajectory. &#8220;They&#8221; could be just as good as JPL at that maneuver.<br />
<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/A2017_U1_orbit-Oct25_2017.png/481px-A2017_U1_orbit-Oct25_2017.png" /></p>
<p>What I want to know is, is there anything along that extrapolated trajectory within a few light years? Is there a reason to suspect an opportunistic use of the Sun, versus an accidental hyperbola?</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 01:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1711/1711.03155.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1711/1711.03155.pdf&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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