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“Until scientists can prove otherwise; I will continue to believe that SPACE, MASS and ENERGY exist because they were created.”

If something exists, such as God, then he must have originated somehow, you and the religionists do not seem to know how he came into existence.

Until the religionists can prove otherwise, I will continue to believe God does not exist because he must have been created by somebody or some thing.

Your argument is circular, its a monkey chasing its tail. The same error that convinces you that nature must have a creator can be extended to assert God must have a creator. But if God has a creator, he is obviously not God. Of course, you don’t believe God needs a creator because he is eternal, omniscient, immortal, etcetera, etcetera.

But how can you claim to know so much about God? You are just as ignorant as I am.

We don’t know how, or even if, the universe was created. All we know for a fact is that we have no evidence it was created by a superior being or intelligence. Now that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t, just that we don’t know, and can’t know. It is pointless talking about the properties and characteristics of God because we have absolutely no data about him, and because any speculations we may have about him cannot be tested through experiment or observation.

THAT is the scientific principle of investigation.

Until scientist can prove otherwise; I will continue to believe that SPACE, MASS and ENERGY exist because they were created.
I suppose that we must agree to disagree on that subject at least for the time being.

Thank you for your thoughts on the subject.

Having a Creator you can’t explain create a universe you can’t explain is an unnecessary complication that does nothing to clear up the problem or answer the question.
Occam’s Razor suggests we just eliminate the middleman.
Explaining how the universe got here is a hell of a lot easier than explaining how God got here.

Remember the story Carl Sagan used to tell? He was lecturing on the “creation of the universe” when a little old lady in the front row said she KNEW how the universe got here.

“It is all built up on the shell of giant turtle.”
Carl asked, “and where is that turtle standing?”
“On top of another turtle”, she replied.
“And where is THAT turtle standing?” said Carl.
“It’s turtles all the way down.”

There are no turtles, Johannes. There’s just you and me, and I’m not so sure about you.

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No one knows who created God, but we can speculate. Some scientists speculate that there is more than one universe, if this is so, then we can speculate that God exists in another universe.

We could speculate that the creator knows why things happen and why we are here.

Scientists cannot form answers without questions. Those nouns and prepositions are arranged in a form that creates questions, if you are a scientist then answering those questions might earn you a Nobel prize.

The only specification I am attributing to the creator is that creation happens under the direction of the creator, or creators, as in the design and construction of my computer.

Listen, all you need to know is that there is a reason for everything but a purpose to nothing. Everywhere we look in the universe we see evidence of natural law, rules that regulate how things happen with great precision. But nowhere do we see even the slightest hint of WHY things happen. This suggests that the universe is not an artifact. Now, it is true we have no way of knowing that for certain, but we certainly have no reason to believe otherwise. And until we do, the burden of proof is on the God faction, not on me. All that talk about life, and movement and energy is just a bunch of nouns connected by prepositions. It doesn’t mean anything.

The computer before you was created for a purpose. Until you know what the purpose of the universe is, or until you can convince me it actually has a purpose, you are totally unqualified to be laying out the specifications for God.