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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33442</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2015 22:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS  Thanks.  I had no idea what it might cost to save the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS  Thanks.  I had no idea what it might cost to save the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: SDAI-Tech</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33424</link>
		<dc:creator>SDAI-Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The global warming stuff is more of an ancillary excuse to clamp on regulations on existing US factories, power plants and industry.  A mantra for the rubes to embrace so they can mask their anti-capitalism behind a save the planet/I&#039;m a good person blanket. 

Currency manipulation by the Chinese has accelerated the exodus and Trump is right when he says our leaders are too stupid to know how to deal with foreign nations exploiting FDR&#039;s minimum wage law which, as could be predicted, would cut down our labor force at the knee caps.

Goebbels knew if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes the truth - even if the plain facts are out there. These boards are mute testimony to the ability of people to believe in what they want to believe. How many people on the planet know about the Earth&#039;s magnetosphere? Of those, how many know it&#039;s role in breaking down and recreating ozone in the arctic? Of those, how many know that the poles are migrating and moving whole bands of solar radiation with it? You might be able to fit them in a single auditorium somewhere with plenty of extra seats.

That&#039;s the problem. Our world is scientifically illiterate. The scientists pushing global warming are like the lock-mart designers pushing the F-35. They will push crap on anyone for a price and to be part of an ongoing gravy train. The rest are the useful idiots that are filled with hate for capitalism and have been TAUGHT that its fundamentally evil. 

Like Jihadists trained as children to believe martyrdom is a pathway to Allah, the millennial gen, gen Y and large portions of gen X are seriously clueless about the value of capitalism versus socialism and are, for the most part, historically and scientifically illiterate.

Obama can travel to Alaska and claim climate change is the greatest threat to mankind and 33 percent of the electorate will not have the *mental capacity* to deny it. 120 million people or so that take it on *faith* and not knowing is actually what makes them fervent believers. It&#039;s a defense mechanism.

But I&#039;m rambling now and it&#039;s way late. Thanks for the chart. I love how all those charts start right after the minimum wage kicked in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The global warming stuff is more of an ancillary excuse to clamp on regulations on existing US factories, power plants and industry.  A mantra for the rubes to embrace so they can mask their anti-capitalism behind a save the planet/I&#8217;m a good person blanket. </p>
<p>Currency manipulation by the Chinese has accelerated the exodus and Trump is right when he says our leaders are too stupid to know how to deal with foreign nations exploiting FDR&#8217;s minimum wage law which, as could be predicted, would cut down our labor force at the knee caps.</p>
<p>Goebbels knew if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes the truth &#8211; even if the plain facts are out there. These boards are mute testimony to the ability of people to believe in what they want to believe. How many people on the planet know about the Earth&#8217;s magnetosphere? Of those, how many know it&#8217;s role in breaking down and recreating ozone in the arctic? Of those, how many know that the poles are migrating and moving whole bands of solar radiation with it? You might be able to fit them in a single auditorium somewhere with plenty of extra seats.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem. Our world is scientifically illiterate. The scientists pushing global warming are like the lock-mart designers pushing the F-35. They will push crap on anyone for a price and to be part of an ongoing gravy train. The rest are the useful idiots that are filled with hate for capitalism and have been TAUGHT that its fundamentally evil. </p>
<p>Like Jihadists trained as children to believe martyrdom is a pathway to Allah, the millennial gen, gen Y and large portions of gen X are seriously clueless about the value of capitalism versus socialism and are, for the most part, historically and scientifically illiterate.</p>
<p>Obama can travel to Alaska and claim climate change is the greatest threat to mankind and 33 percent of the electorate will not have the *mental capacity* to deny it. 120 million people or so that take it on *faith* and not knowing is actually what makes them fervent believers. It&#8217;s a defense mechanism.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m rambling now and it&#8217;s way late. Thanks for the chart. I love how all those charts start right after the minimum wage kicked in.</p>
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		<title>By: SDAI-Tech</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33393</link>
		<dc:creator>SDAI-Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 05:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A multi trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry that is killing people left and right with bad drugs and they do it knowingly! Doctors prescribe drugs as &quot;treatments&quot; - they don&#039;t try to &quot;cure&quot; anything anymore.

Follow the money is perfectly applicable in the healthcare field. Radiology, chemotherapy and magnetic imaging are the staples of hospitals tools to bilk the insurance companies because they are bilked by a government which makes them unable to refuse treatment to anyone.

100 years later and no cure for &quot;the big C&quot; and big pharm (&amp; big farm!) have let bacterial pathogens become superbugs by failing to regulate antibiotic usage.

And now we have super bacteria, super fungi and all sorts of things in our food supply and hospitals that can kill people.

Follow the money has been a good rule of thumb in every civilization - going back into ancient times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A multi trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry that is killing people left and right with bad drugs and they do it knowingly! Doctors prescribe drugs as &#8220;treatments&#8221; &#8211; they don&#8217;t try to &#8220;cure&#8221; anything anymore.</p>
<p>Follow the money is perfectly applicable in the healthcare field. Radiology, chemotherapy and magnetic imaging are the staples of hospitals tools to bilk the insurance companies because they are bilked by a government which makes them unable to refuse treatment to anyone.</p>
<p>100 years later and no cure for &#8220;the big C&#8221; and big pharm (&amp; big farm!) have let bacterial pathogens become superbugs by failing to regulate antibiotic usage.</p>
<p>And now we have super bacteria, super fungi and all sorts of things in our food supply and hospitals that can kill people.</p>
<p>Follow the money has been a good rule of thumb in every civilization &#8211; going back into ancient times.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33364</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manufacturing labor was heading out of the country long before global warming was a thing. Nothing evil about it: labor flows to where the costs are lowest. Same as laborers flow to where they can make the most money.

Nobody asks what Xhen Joue was doing for a living before he came to Apple, or what he was earning.

If you look at the peak in the chart below, you might remember that 1978 was the year China began to open up to foreign investments and companies. Odds are the peak would have come sooner if the Nationalists hadn&#039;t lost power.

The drop in recent years (prior to the recession) may be largely due to the vast improvement in communications technology, making running factories overseas considerably easier.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1939-2014_Manufacturing_monthly.jpg&quot; width=&quot;600&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manufacturing labor was heading out of the country long before global warming was a thing. Nothing evil about it: labor flows to where the costs are lowest. Same as laborers flow to where they can make the most money.</p>
<p>Nobody asks what Xhen Joue was doing for a living before he came to Apple, or what he was earning.</p>
<p>If you look at the peak in the chart below, you might remember that 1978 was the year China began to open up to foreign investments and companies. Odds are the peak would have come sooner if the Nationalists hadn&#8217;t lost power.</p>
<p>The drop in recent years (prior to the recession) may be largely due to the vast improvement in communications technology, making running factories overseas considerably easier.</p>
<p><img src="http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1939-2014_Manufacturing_monthly.jpg" width="600" alt="" /></p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33362</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gotta admit...&lt;/p&gt;

it&#039;s kind of fun when somebody is trying to throw facts out there for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta admit&#8230;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s kind of fun when somebody is trying to throw facts out there for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33357</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 08:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope no one in your family ever gets sick or injured.  You would have to look at what doctors make and hospitals charge and deny the diagnosis.

&quot;Follow the money!!&quot;  Clearly they would only be saying it was a heart attack or broken leg so they could charge you a fortune.  You would be going to a homeopathic physician or a faith healer, someone without a financial stake in helping you.

And don&#039;t take any medications!!!  Do you know what they make on those things?  Follow the money.  They are only selling them because they can charge a fortune.

It&#039;s a matter of integrity, intellectual honesty, truly the measure of a man.  Stand for something or stand for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope no one in your family ever gets sick or injured.  You would have to look at what doctors make and hospitals charge and deny the diagnosis.</p>
<p>&#8220;Follow the money!!&#8221;  Clearly they would only be saying it was a heart attack or broken leg so they could charge you a fortune.  You would be going to a homeopathic physician or a faith healer, someone without a financial stake in helping you.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t take any medications!!!  Do you know what they make on those things?  Follow the money.  They are only selling them because they can charge a fortune.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a matter of integrity, intellectual honesty, truly the measure of a man.  Stand for something or stand for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: SDAI-Tech</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33355</link>
		<dc:creator>SDAI-Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 07:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a relativistic world we spend infinite amounts of time on everything. (But sometimes it doesn&#039;t feel like it! Ha!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a relativistic world we spend infinite amounts of time on everything. (But sometimes it doesn&#8217;t feel like it! Ha!)</p>
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		<title>By: SDAI-Tech</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33352</link>
		<dc:creator>SDAI-Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 07:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just visit your local Wal-mart. Every aisle, every product on every shelf is mute testimony to the reason morons are paid to produce hype about global warming. New pollution and EPA regs give companies the &quot;excuse&quot; they need to move to China, India, Vietnam, Mexico, Malaysia or wherever. They move to places where production is infinitely dirtier and the world&#039;s air gets smoggier - as a result of US regulations and the climate change orchestrated hysteria.

The big money is in paying Xhen Joue 20 cents a day to build iPhones for Apple instead of paying 56 dollars a day to a US worker. Multiply that times 100 million employees across all the corporate landscape. Trillions of dollars in savings.

Just like GE paid lobbyists and wrote the legislation to outlaw incandescent bulbs as &quot;wasteful&quot; and &quot;inefficient&quot; so they could make more profits on mercury-laced fluorescent bulbs, so do other companies push global warming and EPA regulations to cut down any remaining US competitors at the knees, and entrench their relocation overseas and explain it all away to shareholders, hypocritically, as keeping America &quot;green&quot; - even if the rest of the world becomes tar black.

Man-made &#039;climate change&#039; is the greatest big industry concocted fairy-tale since they made people believe oil comes from dinosaurs and is a &quot;fossil&quot; fuel.

But 95 percent of an uneducated, unequipped world will believe everything they hear or are told in school prima facie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just visit your local Wal-mart. Every aisle, every product on every shelf is mute testimony to the reason morons are paid to produce hype about global warming. New pollution and EPA regs give companies the &#8220;excuse&#8221; they need to move to China, India, Vietnam, Mexico, Malaysia or wherever. They move to places where production is infinitely dirtier and the world&#8217;s air gets smoggier &#8211; as a result of US regulations and the climate change orchestrated hysteria.</p>
<p>The big money is in paying Xhen Joue 20 cents a day to build iPhones for Apple instead of paying 56 dollars a day to a US worker. Multiply that times 100 million employees across all the corporate landscape. Trillions of dollars in savings.</p>
<p>Just like GE paid lobbyists and wrote the legislation to outlaw incandescent bulbs as &#8220;wasteful&#8221; and &#8220;inefficient&#8221; so they could make more profits on mercury-laced fluorescent bulbs, so do other companies push global warming and EPA regulations to cut down any remaining US competitors at the knees, and entrench their relocation overseas and explain it all away to shareholders, hypocritically, as keeping America &#8220;green&#8221; &#8211; even if the rest of the world becomes tar black.</p>
<p>Man-made &#8216;climate change&#8217; is the greatest big industry concocted fairy-tale since they made people believe oil comes from dinosaurs and is a &#8220;fossil&#8221; fuel.</p>
<p>But 95 percent of an uneducated, unequipped world will believe everything they hear or are told in school prima facie.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33351</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 07:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eww. Just realized how much time I killed on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eww. Just realized how much time I killed on this.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/11/01/following-the-money/#comment-33350</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 07:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Apologies, I wasn&#039;t clear.&lt;/p&gt;

The question was asked, &quot;where are the people making money from climate change?&quot; I answered it.

But my link and diagram weren&#039;t really related to the statement I made on research funding.

The diagram and links show &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; financing of climate-change activities (like building solar plants), not just scientific research. My second statement wasn&#039;t really connected to the reference or illustration. Obviously, the climate investors and public financers aren&#039;t spending trillions solely on climate research, any more than the oil companies are spending all their revenues on climate research.

Still, there&#039;s a little sleight of hand in that &quot;public finance for fossil fuels&quot; number.

Something like 75 percent of world crude oil production is controlled by state-owned oil companies, mostly in the developing and emerging economies (China, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, etc). The hundreds of billions in this category are slipped into the &quot;public financing&quot; or &quot;subsidy&quot; category in the chart you show, which we are supposed to think means tax cuts for Exxon.

Additionally, some environmentalists sweep many externalized costs into the &quot;subsidy&quot; category, and I&#039;ve seen oil industry &quot;subsidy&quot; numbers that include highway financing (since cars and trucks burn oil), or a chunk of defense spending (since some of it is used to protect oil supplies). If you want to get into those definition weeds, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.odi.org/sites/odi.org.uk/files/odi-assets/publications-opinion-files/8668.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;help yourself.&lt;/a&gt; Better you than me.

Below is a more useful graphic for comparing pro and anti-AGW spending. Comparing vertical scales is left as an exercise for the student.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Climate-Funds.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, I wasn&#8217;t clear.</p>
<p>The question was asked, &#8220;where are the people making money from climate change?&#8221; I answered it.</p>
<p>But my link and diagram weren&#8217;t really related to the statement I made on research funding.</p>
<p>The diagram and links show <i>all</i> financing of climate-change activities (like building solar plants), not just scientific research. My second statement wasn&#8217;t really connected to the reference or illustration. Obviously, the climate investors and public financers aren&#8217;t spending trillions solely on climate research, any more than the oil companies are spending all their revenues on climate research.</p>
<p>Still, there&#8217;s a little sleight of hand in that &#8220;public finance for fossil fuels&#8221; number.</p>
<p>Something like 75 percent of world crude oil production is controlled by state-owned oil companies, mostly in the developing and emerging economies (China, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, etc). The hundreds of billions in this category are slipped into the &#8220;public financing&#8221; or &#8220;subsidy&#8221; category in the chart you show, which we are supposed to think means tax cuts for Exxon.</p>
<p>Additionally, some environmentalists sweep many externalized costs into the &#8220;subsidy&#8221; category, and I&#8217;ve seen oil industry &#8220;subsidy&#8221; numbers that include highway financing (since cars and trucks burn oil), or a chunk of defense spending (since some of it is used to protect oil supplies). If you want to get into those definition weeds, <a href="http://www.odi.org/sites/odi.org.uk/files/odi-assets/publications-opinion-files/8668.pdf" rel="nofollow">help yourself.</a> Better you than me.</p>
<p>Below is a more useful graphic for comparing pro and anti-AGW spending. Comparing vertical scales is left as an exercise for the student.</p>
<p><img src="http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Climate-Funds.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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