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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23274</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be a temporarily effective strategy on their part, but it is also a perfectly obvious, and ultimately, self-defeating, one.  These clowns can&#039;t fool anybody any more--except themselves.

The Hard Right that has hijacked the Republican Party has once again tripped over its own dick.  They could have been much more successful at promoting their policies and communicating their ideas if they just hadn&#039;t been such pricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be a temporarily effective strategy on their part, but it is also a perfectly obvious, and ultimately, self-defeating, one.  These clowns can&#8217;t fool anybody any more&#8211;except themselves.</p>
<p>The Hard Right that has hijacked the Republican Party has once again tripped over its own dick.  They could have been much more successful at promoting their policies and communicating their ideas if they just hadn&#8217;t been such pricks.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23271</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans are also stopping/filibustering anything to help #s 1, 2, and (right now, especially) 4 on the list, as well as background check legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans are also stopping/filibustering anything to help #s 1, 2, and (right now, especially) 4 on the list, as well as background check legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23251</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s only obvious that there should be universal registration. It&#039;s self-evident. It&#039;s actually asinine to oppose it. It doesn&#039;t matter one iota that it won&#039;t prevent another Newtown.

We&#039;re keep our assault weapons to fight tyranny if it ever rears it&#039;s ugly head. If one has the actual balls to fight, then fucking wait until compulsory registration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only obvious that there should be universal registration. It&#8217;s self-evident. It&#8217;s actually asinine to oppose it. It doesn&#8217;t matter one iota that it won&#8217;t prevent another Newtown.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re keep our assault weapons to fight tyranny if it ever rears it&#8217;s ugly head. If one has the actual balls to fight, then fucking wait until compulsory registration.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23249</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll deal with it--in the only way you know how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll deal with it&#8211;in the only way you know how.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23247</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not &quot;predicting&quot; anything any more.&lt;/p&gt;

I&#039;m consolidating, hunkering down, watching our future unroll over in Europe, and seeing how people are dealing with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not &#8220;predicting&#8221; anything any more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m consolidating, hunkering down, watching our future unroll over in Europe, and seeing how people are dealing with it.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23245</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the NRA donating to both sides, that&#039;s how lobbies work.  They get money from the industry and from their subscribers and try to influence elections.  That&#039;s how you know they&#039;re a lobby.  They will support either side as long as they get what they want.  And the people that send them money expect them to do exactly that.

I know that you know that.  I can&#039;t believe you believe no one else does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the NRA donating to both sides, that&#8217;s how lobbies work.  They get money from the industry and from their subscribers and try to influence elections.  That&#8217;s how you know they&#8217;re a lobby.  They will support either side as long as they get what they want.  And the people that send them money expect them to do exactly that.</p>
<p>I know that you know that.  I can&#8217;t believe you believe no one else does.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23244</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you&#039;re forecasting the next election just as cleverly as you did the last one.

My prediction is just a little different.  I believe that those Senators, of both parties, up for election in 2014 who voted for filibuster will come to bitterly regret their decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re forecasting the next election just as cleverly as you did the last one.</p>
<p>My prediction is just a little different.  I believe that those Senators, of both parties, up for election in 2014 who voted for filibuster will come to bitterly regret their decision.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23243</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And incidentally...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-07-26/white-house-makes-clear-no-push-for-new-gun-laws&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This was Obama&lt;/a&gt; after another mass shooting, but while he was still at risk for losing re-election.

The entire purpose of this recent dog-and-pony show was to pass &quot;bipartisan&quot; legislation out of the Senate, have it blow up in the House (you do remember this stuff has to pass the House, right?) and then blame the Republicans for everything.  Again.

It blew up in his face.

Obama&#039;s entire purpose right now is to get the Republicans out of the House in 2014.  Every &quot;poison pill&quot; he&#039;s proposed since last January has this in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And incidentally&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-07-26/white-house-makes-clear-no-push-for-new-gun-laws" rel="nofollow">This was Obama</a> after another mass shooting, but while he was still at risk for losing re-election.</p>
<p>The entire purpose of this recent dog-and-pony show was to pass &#8220;bipartisan&#8221; legislation out of the Senate, have it blow up in the House (you do remember this stuff has to pass the House, right?) and then blame the Republicans for everything.  Again.</p>
<p>It blew up in his face.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s entire purpose right now is to get the Republicans out of the House in 2014.  Every &#8220;poison pill&#8221; he&#8217;s proposed since last January has this in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2013/04/18/senate-upholds-2nd-amendment-rights/#comment-23242</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nothing does more for gun sales than Democrats trying to disarm the law-abiding population.&lt;/p&gt;

Sturm, Ruger&#039;s quarterly revenues:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2012/10-2/20121031_RGR.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

If it&#039;s really all about the profits, you&#039;d think the NRA would be pumping campaign cash to Pelosi and Obama.  Maybe you need to rework your theory. Or hope Republicans get back into office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing does more for gun sales than Democrats trying to disarm the law-abiding population.</p>
<p>Sturm, Ruger&#8217;s quarterly revenues:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2012/10-2/20121031_RGR.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>If it&#8217;s really all about the profits, you&#8217;d think the NRA would be pumping campaign cash to Pelosi and Obama.  Maybe you need to rework your theory. Or hope Republicans get back into office.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More handwaving, ignoring the obvious, and subject changing.

Again, you nit-pick about the difference between &quot;fully-&quot; and &quot;semi-automatic&quot;--as if this demonstrated the technical ignorance of all those pansy gun critics.  Don&#039;t forget, TB.  I own guns and keep them for self-defense; I have been trained in their use by a well-regulated military.  I don&#039;t even favor banning them, just argue for their responsible use. Don&#039;t presume to lecture me on firearms nomenclature. You&#039;re the one who&#039;s afraid to use a BB gun to scare the &#039;coons away from his koi.

You can&#039;t legally buy fully automatic weapons, but most can be easily converted.  Parts and instructions are easily available from shooter&#039;s websites (wink, wink).  Hint:  File the sear.

The Al-Quaeda nut job is trying to get American Muslims to buy easily-available military style firearms.  Apparently they have more sense than those goose-stepping Christians who insist on their god-given right to buy them do. And as you point out, they are a lot better at getting around the law than he is.

Meaningful gun control legislation is consistently resisted by the gun lobby.  When any is passed, consistent enforcement is resisted.  Even policies formerly supported by the NRA are now suddenly opposed.  Anything that will reduce the number of weapons sold (a reduction in gun industry profit) is opposed. In science, that&#039;s called &quot;a positive correlation&quot;.

&quot;Who the criminals actually are&quot;.  Oh, did you mean the blacks?  Why don&#039;t you just come out and say so. No need to dog-whistle, we all know exactly where you&#039;re coming from.  FWIW, the black community is trying desperately to get guns out of their ghettoes.  The redneck community seems determined to increase them in theirs. The NRA and their industry clients just want to sell to both sides.  War is great for the arms trade, especially civil war, and race war. Arms merchants, remember?  War profiteers. War criminals. 

Maybe you should look up where those guns used in Chicago shootings come from, and who it is that is legally buying them OUT of town and then illegally selling them IN town. Have you looked up any racial stats on who&#039;s doing the wholesaling? 

And you are going to have to come up with something better than your usual plea of &quot;excruciating detail&quot;.  No one takes your vaunted research very seriously. We&#039;ve seen it repeated to many times, in excruciating and monotonous detail.  As your previous post and my response to it clearly demonstrate, you see and report only those factoids that support your position, and refuse to even notice anything else that might not, even when they appear side-by-side on the same page.

TB, the only reason you are opposed to reasonable gun laws is because liberals are for them.  You can&#039;t stand to admit they might be right about something.  Anything. It threatens your detailed world view, your sense of excruciating infallibility, the instinctive righteousness of your side and the self evident corruption and depravity of your ideological enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More handwaving, ignoring the obvious, and subject changing.</p>
<p>Again, you nit-pick about the difference between &#8220;fully-&#8221; and &#8220;semi-automatic&#8221;&#8211;as if this demonstrated the technical ignorance of all those pansy gun critics.  Don&#8217;t forget, TB.  I own guns and keep them for self-defense; I have been trained in their use by a well-regulated military.  I don&#8217;t even favor banning them, just argue for their responsible use. Don&#8217;t presume to lecture me on firearms nomenclature. You&#8217;re the one who&#8217;s afraid to use a BB gun to scare the &#8216;coons away from his koi.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t legally buy fully automatic weapons, but most can be easily converted.  Parts and instructions are easily available from shooter&#8217;s websites (wink, wink).  Hint:  File the sear.</p>
<p>The Al-Quaeda nut job is trying to get American Muslims to buy easily-available military style firearms.  Apparently they have more sense than those goose-stepping Christians who insist on their god-given right to buy them do. And as you point out, they are a lot better at getting around the law than he is.</p>
<p>Meaningful gun control legislation is consistently resisted by the gun lobby.  When any is passed, consistent enforcement is resisted.  Even policies formerly supported by the NRA are now suddenly opposed.  Anything that will reduce the number of weapons sold (a reduction in gun industry profit) is opposed. In science, that&#8217;s called &#8220;a positive correlation&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Who the criminals actually are&#8221;.  Oh, did you mean the blacks?  Why don&#8217;t you just come out and say so. No need to dog-whistle, we all know exactly where you&#8217;re coming from.  FWIW, the black community is trying desperately to get guns out of their ghettoes.  The redneck community seems determined to increase them in theirs. The NRA and their industry clients just want to sell to both sides.  War is great for the arms trade, especially civil war, and race war. Arms merchants, remember?  War profiteers. War criminals. </p>
<p>Maybe you should look up where those guns used in Chicago shootings come from, and who it is that is legally buying them OUT of town and then illegally selling them IN town. Have you looked up any racial stats on who&#8217;s doing the wholesaling? </p>
<p>And you are going to have to come up with something better than your usual plea of &#8220;excruciating detail&#8221;.  No one takes your vaunted research very seriously. We&#8217;ve seen it repeated to many times, in excruciating and monotonous detail.  As your previous post and my response to it clearly demonstrate, you see and report only those factoids that support your position, and refuse to even notice anything else that might not, even when they appear side-by-side on the same page.</p>
<p>TB, the only reason you are opposed to reasonable gun laws is because liberals are for them.  You can&#8217;t stand to admit they might be right about something.  Anything. It threatens your detailed world view, your sense of excruciating infallibility, the instinctive righteousness of your side and the self evident corruption and depravity of your ideological enemies.</p>
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