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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/we-need-more-sensible-conservatives/#comment-20481</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All &lt;em&gt;right!!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

You make your point effectively, although &quot;better mandate than in 2000&quot; isn&#039;t much of a mandate.

2004 also had a pretty decent popular vote margin, but the electoral vote was on a razor edge. Like this election, a couple hundred thousand votes in the right places would have tossed it the other way.

As an aside, to have something I said actually &lt;em&gt;factually refuted,&lt;/em&gt; and with links to boot, is so goddam refreshing that it&#039;s like a cool breeze in Death Valley.

Thanks!  Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All <em>right!!</em></p>
<p>You make your point effectively, although &#8220;better mandate than in 2000&#8243; isn&#8217;t much of a mandate.</p>
<p>2004 also had a pretty decent popular vote margin, but the electoral vote was on a razor edge. Like this election, a couple hundred thousand votes in the right places would have tossed it the other way.</p>
<p>As an aside, to have something I said actually <em>factually refuted,</em> and with links to boot, is so goddam refreshing that it&#8217;s like a cool breeze in Death Valley.</p>
<p>Thanks!  Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/we-need-more-sensible-conservatives/#comment-20480</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/11/05/31886/novak-mandate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Q: Bob Novak, is 51 percent of the vote really a mandate?
NOVAK: Of course it is. It’s a 3.5 million vote margin. &lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/the_rights_new_line_obama_has_no_mandate/singleton/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Krauthammer: And now that he’s been elected with a large majority, or a significant majority, and with a mandate, I think part of that mandate is to get the right judges, by his likes.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1208/article_detail.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Claremont Institute:What emerged from the 2004 election was a moral consensus, and with it, something we might call a mandate. But it is not the mandate some are talking about.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/educate/election04/article61.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;USA Today:Even so, President Bush will sit down with his Cabinet at 10 a.m. today to begin his second term with a clearer and more commanding mandate than he held for the first&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Bush-claims-mandate-sets-2nd-term-goals-I-2637116.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
SF Chronicle: Bush claims mandate, sets 2nd-term goals / &#039;I earned capital in this campaign, political capital.&lt;/a&gt;


Yes, it basically depends on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/11/presidential-mandates&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; whether your side won or not&lt;/a&gt; but let&#039;s not pretend it never happened.


Can you cut the crap already? :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/11/05/31886/novak-mandate/" rel="nofollow">Q: Bob Novak, is 51 percent of the vote really a mandate?<br />
NOVAK: Of course it is. It’s a 3.5 million vote margin. </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/the_rights_new_line_obama_has_no_mandate/singleton/" rel="nofollow">Krauthammer: And now that he’s been elected with a large majority, or a significant majority, and with a mandate, I think part of that mandate is to get the right judges, by his likes.</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1208/article_detail.asp" rel="nofollow"><br />
Claremont Institute:What emerged from the 2004 election was a moral consensus, and with it, something we might call a mandate. But it is not the mandate some are talking about.</a></p>
<p><a href="http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/educate/election04/article61.htm" rel="nofollow">USA Today:Even so, President Bush will sit down with his Cabinet at 10 a.m. today to begin his second term with a clearer and more commanding mandate than he held for the first</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Bush-claims-mandate-sets-2nd-term-goals-I-2637116.php" rel="nofollow"><br />
SF Chronicle: Bush claims mandate, sets 2nd-term goals / &#8216;I earned capital in this campaign, political capital.</a></p>
<p>Yes, it basically depends on <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/11/presidential-mandates" rel="nofollow"> whether your side won or not</a> but let&#8217;s not pretend it never happened.</p>
<p>Can you cut the crap already? :p</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there was no private property.  All of &#039;em were communist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there was no private property.  All of &#8216;em were communist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly! But I still have faith the Liberals will someday understand by logic and reasoning and not instinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly! But I still have faith the Liberals will someday understand by logic and reasoning and not instinct.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.&quot;

New International Version (1984)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.&#8221;</p>
<p>New International Version (1984)</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and God said, &quot;It is good&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and God said, &#8220;It is good&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember eight solid years here.

Don&#039;t overdose on smug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember eight solid years here.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t overdose on smug.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but he&#039;s been on the new conservative shitlist for a while now,  for failure to follow the party line without question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but he&#8217;s been on the new conservative shitlist for a while now,  for failure to follow the party line without question.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2012/11/12/we-need-more-sensible-conservatives/#comment-20411</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National Review, Heritage, Cato, Krauthammer...indeed, any factoid printed in any trog blog anywhere in the known universe that slammed liberals or lionized conservatives. etc etc. etc. And of course, when we don&#039;t respond to your little &lt;em&gt;indirectas&lt;/em&gt; we get scolded for our intellectual laziness and failure to hear both sides.

So spare us the crocodile tears, OK?  You have been insufferable. Remember how you counted the days before this election? I certainly do.  I bet Buck does too.  And remember how you managed to remind us at least once a week, &lt;em&gt;for two fucking years&lt;/em&gt;, about the  significance of 2010?

Now you can understand what we&#039;ve had to put up with, day after day, for years, TB.  What was your excuse again?  &lt;em&gt;&quot;Tough shit, everything is political, deal with it.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;
I paraphrase, of course.

R U ready for that voluntary, gentleman&#039;s moratorium on political posts yet?  Or does that only include liberal links?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Oh wad some power the giftie gie us
To see oursel’s as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An&#039; foolish notion.&quot;

--Bobby Burns&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National Review, Heritage, Cato, Krauthammer&#8230;indeed, any factoid printed in any trog blog anywhere in the known universe that slammed liberals or lionized conservatives. etc etc. etc. And of course, when we don&#8217;t respond to your little <em>indirectas</em> we get scolded for our intellectual laziness and failure to hear both sides.</p>
<p>So spare us the crocodile tears, OK?  You have been insufferable. Remember how you counted the days before this election? I certainly do.  I bet Buck does too.  And remember how you managed to remind us at least once a week, <em>for two fucking years</em>, about the  significance of 2010?</p>
<p>Now you can understand what we&#8217;ve had to put up with, day after day, for years, TB.  What was your excuse again?  <em>&#8220;Tough shit, everything is political, deal with it.&#8221; </em><br />
I paraphrase, of course.</p>
<p>R U ready for that voluntary, gentleman&#8217;s moratorium on political posts yet?  Or does that only include liberal links?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Oh wad some power the giftie gie us<br />
To see oursel’s as others see us!<br />
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,<br />
An&#8217; foolish notion.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Bobby Burns</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a board for that worldview, TB.  It&#039;s called &quot;Mysteries of the Multiverse&quot; and it is for matters for which there is no factual evidence which demonstrates the point.

You should move your post over there.  It belongs with crop circles, UFOs of alien origin, the OJ Simpson defense, and media conspiracy stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a board for that worldview, TB.  It&#8217;s called &#8220;Mysteries of the Multiverse&#8221; and it is for matters for which there is no factual evidence which demonstrates the point.</p>
<p>You should move your post over there.  It belongs with crop circles, UFOs of alien origin, the OJ Simpson defense, and media conspiracy stuff.</p>
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