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	<title>Comments on: Older drugs often safer than new</title>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5771</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then to state it to people including news media as fact... That is totally irresponsible.  God knows what would happen with her as President.  We thought the war based on non-existent WOMD was bad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then to state it to people including news media as fact&#8230; That is totally irresponsible.  God knows what would happen with her as President.  We thought the war based on non-existent WOMD was bad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5743</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I heard that.  Somebody came up and told her this had happened to her daughter, so I guess it &lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt; have been true.  Talk about anecdotal evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I heard that.  Somebody came up and told her this had happened to her daughter, so I guess it <em>must</em> have been true.  Talk about anecdotal evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5741</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard on the news this morning that she THEN said that one child had become mentally retarded as a result of this vaccine.  That was an outright falsehood and the medical community is up in arms over that statement.  She lost the votes of any doctors out there.  What an idiot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard on the news this morning that she THEN said that one child had become mentally retarded as a result of this vaccine.  That was an outright falsehood and the medical community is up in arms over that statement.  She lost the votes of any doctors out there.  What an idiot!</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5718</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody will &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; hold the purse strings.  And there isn&#039;t anyone who doesn&#039;t have an axe to grind.  Therein lies a lot of problems.

The answer, of course, is competition.  You need somebody watching out for the other guy who stands to make a great deal more money if the other guy tries to pull a fast one.  That&#039;s a whole new subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody will <em>always</em> hold the purse strings.  And there isn&#8217;t anyone who doesn&#8217;t have an axe to grind.  Therein lies a lot of problems.</p>
<p>The answer, of course, is competition.  You need somebody watching out for the other guy who stands to make a great deal more money if the other guy tries to pull a fast one.  That&#8217;s a whole new subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5717</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sidestepping firecrackers. ;-)

I know enough about the FDA, met  a couple of their doctors while I was working for a researcher.  I know they think of themselves as conscientious men and women who try their best to guard the welfare of the American people and make sure that drugs are safe and effective before being let loose on the population.  Much of the time, they are successful.

However, there are flaws in the system.  Doctors are allowed to go from Pharmaceutical companies into the FDA and from the FDA into Pharmaceutical companies.  Consequently, their judgment can be affected unduly by Pharmaceutical companies trying to rush their products to market.  

Another flaw is that Pharmaceutical companies are not required to publish, or even make known, ALL the results of their studies.  Therefore, some thing can be kept hidden from the FDA.  Drug companies can and do hide negative results.  I would like to have more access to information on Vioxx.  I have a feeling I know exactly what happened with that class of drugs.  The hid the negative and/or classified adverse effects as not being due to the drug itself.  When a drug is under study, and a patient has an adverse event, the doctor running the study--who is NOT immune from undue influence, their studies and therefore, to some degree, their careers and success are in the hands of pharmaceutical companies who hold the purse strings--has to determine if that event is thought to be due to the drug or not.  There&#039;s all kinds of paperwork that has to be filed with the Human Subjects Committee at the institution along with copies going to the drug company and available to the FDA.  There is always the possibility of human error but when you factor in the other things, there is way too much opportunity for skewing of data.  And people die.

I have a lot of respect for the purpose of the FDA; I have a lot of suspicion about how their mission is carried out and about the probability of the use of undue influence.  Anyone who sees otherwise is hopelessly naive IMO.

I know the doctors running the studies will mostly disagree with this but again, their salaries depend on these studies to a certain degree.  They are almost all very good researchers, conscientious doctors with the welfare of the patient at heart.  OTOH, this system can unreasonably withhold life-saving treatments for an undue period of time waiting for study results when reason says that there is NO other treatment and you have to balance the possibility of extending lives against the entry of an unproven drug.  If the result is death without the drug and there is an ounce of hope, then I have to fall on the side of hope.

It&#039;s a complicated subject.

Now, ask me about the NIH.  I love those guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sidestepping firecrackers. <img src='https://www.habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I know enough about the FDA, met  a couple of their doctors while I was working for a researcher.  I know they think of themselves as conscientious men and women who try their best to guard the welfare of the American people and make sure that drugs are safe and effective before being let loose on the population.  Much of the time, they are successful.</p>
<p>However, there are flaws in the system.  Doctors are allowed to go from Pharmaceutical companies into the FDA and from the FDA into Pharmaceutical companies.  Consequently, their judgment can be affected unduly by Pharmaceutical companies trying to rush their products to market.  </p>
<p>Another flaw is that Pharmaceutical companies are not required to publish, or even make known, ALL the results of their studies.  Therefore, some thing can be kept hidden from the FDA.  Drug companies can and do hide negative results.  I would like to have more access to information on Vioxx.  I have a feeling I know exactly what happened with that class of drugs.  The hid the negative and/or classified adverse effects as not being due to the drug itself.  When a drug is under study, and a patient has an adverse event, the doctor running the study&#8211;who is NOT immune from undue influence, their studies and therefore, to some degree, their careers and success are in the hands of pharmaceutical companies who hold the purse strings&#8211;has to determine if that event is thought to be due to the drug or not.  There&#8217;s all kinds of paperwork that has to be filed with the Human Subjects Committee at the institution along with copies going to the drug company and available to the FDA.  There is always the possibility of human error but when you factor in the other things, there is way too much opportunity for skewing of data.  And people die.</p>
<p>I have a lot of respect for the purpose of the FDA; I have a lot of suspicion about how their mission is carried out and about the probability of the use of undue influence.  Anyone who sees otherwise is hopelessly naive IMO.</p>
<p>I know the doctors running the studies will mostly disagree with this but again, their salaries depend on these studies to a certain degree.  They are almost all very good researchers, conscientious doctors with the welfare of the patient at heart.  OTOH, this system can unreasonably withhold life-saving treatments for an undue period of time waiting for study results when reason says that there is NO other treatment and you have to balance the possibility of extending lives against the entry of an unproven drug.  If the result is death without the drug and there is an ounce of hope, then I have to fall on the side of hope.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a complicated subject.</p>
<p>Now, ask me about the NIH.  I love those guys.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5707</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, how much do you trust the FDA to decide what drugs are safe and effective or not?  Which ones should be approved?  (Careful, that one has a lit firecracker in it.)  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, how much do you trust the FDA to decide what drugs are safe and effective or not?  Which ones should be approved?  (Careful, that one has a lit firecracker in it.)  <img src='https://www.habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5706</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what&#039;s odd about the percentages?  I think they&#039;re slanted or outright lies.  I&#039;ve taken a lot of &quot;new&quot; drugs and on several of them I had the side effects that only happens to 2% or something like that.  I called my doctor about one drug, telling him how I was getting bronchitis and then I&#039;d get better after I quit the drug and then I&#039;d start it again and get bronchitis.  His answer?  &quot;Oh, no, that drug does NOT have that side effect.&quot;  So I checked the pharmacology myself and guess what?  It was listed as a rare side effect.  People prone to bronchitis get bronchitis.  So the damn doctor was not even aware of the side effects of a drug he was pushing on people.  Jerk.  Had he said, &quot;I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;ll check,&quot; I would have respected him.  But the outright denial which meant ignorance was inexcusable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what&#8217;s odd about the percentages?  I think they&#8217;re slanted or outright lies.  I&#8217;ve taken a lot of &#8220;new&#8221; drugs and on several of them I had the side effects that only happens to 2% or something like that.  I called my doctor about one drug, telling him how I was getting bronchitis and then I&#8217;d get better after I quit the drug and then I&#8217;d start it again and get bronchitis.  His answer?  &#8220;Oh, no, that drug does NOT have that side effect.&#8221;  So I checked the pharmacology myself and guess what?  It was listed as a rare side effect.  People prone to bronchitis get bronchitis.  So the damn doctor was not even aware of the side effects of a drug he was pushing on people.  Jerk.  Had he said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;ll check,&#8221; I would have respected him.  But the outright denial which meant ignorance was inexcusable.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5705</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this particular issue, I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this particular issue, I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5704</link>
		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess she&#039;d rather young women die of cancer.  She certainly doesn&#039;t live in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess she&#8217;d rather young women die of cancer.  She certainly doesn&#8217;t live in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://www.habitablezone.com/2011/09/12/older-drugs-often-safer-than-new/#comment-5694</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. did you notice Bachmann going off the rails on HPV vaccines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. did you notice Bachmann going off the rails on HPV vaccines?</p>
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