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Re: Re: Re: Mars Sample Collection Mission


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Good points. How much distance would the sample rover have to cover to make up for landing error by driving to wherever the return lander is?



The sample rover may have to cover many kilometers depending on the accuracy or inaccuracy of the landing of the return lander.

I think braking into an initial parking orbit might help the accuracy of the 2020 MSR lander, but that might require a large braking rocketmotor package. That might shrink the actual lander to a size that would put further limits on what it can do.



United States

A lander might have an easier time navigating to a specific point on Mars' surface if a previous lander was sitting down there broadcasting a navigation signal at the landing site.



Nick_H Australia

But then you need the sample return component to have a propellant package that can wait on the Martian surface till the rover arrives. Solids and Hypergolics are probably fine but liquids are problematical, unless you're doing an in-situ fuel manufacture like Zubrin advocates, but this has its own weight and complexity issues.

Another detail is that if either half of a split mission lands inside a patch of terrain that cannot be exited/entered, or the wrong side of a terrain barrier, then the whole mission is compromised. To avoid this, we tend to get focussed onto "safe" (i.e boring) locations with limited interest in the gelogy and topography.

My forecast is, however, for a medium-to-long distance rover to be directly landed via aerobraking and rockets in mission year 1, and then a return lander to be again directly injected, but with significant effort for terminal guidance, in mission year 3.

My best alternative option is to land the whole damn package in one go, and have a short-to-medium range rover pop out locally and get some rocks and dirt, then load them back to the return capsule on the landed base all within a 30-90 day mission, and return in the same martian year while the transfer orbit is still near-optimum. It needs a heavier mission, but cuts out a lot of the "what ifs".

Oh, and why not have a small drill on the lander to collect a local sample AND emplace a seismometer? (yeah, I know it add weights and complexity, but I hate landing a dumb base station when we could be putting a string of long-term sensor stations like the Apollo ALSEP)



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