Against the Empire

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Against the Empire

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5/14/2008 11:22:29 AM

In Reply to: POPE and Vatican ENDORSE ET's exist posted by carl on 5/14/2008 9:46:42 AM

Against the Empire

Authors: Milan M. Cirkovic

(Submitted on 13 May 2008)

Abstract: It is argued that the "generic" evolutionary pathway of advanced technological civilizations are more likely to be optimization-driven than expansion-driven, in contrast to the prevailing opinions and attitudes in both future studies on one side and astrobiology/SETI studies on the other. Two toy-models of postbiological evolution of advanced technological civilizations are considered and several arguments supporting the optimization-driven, spatially compact model are briefly discussed.

In addition, it is pointed out that there is a subtle contradiction in most of the tech-optimist and transhumanist accounts of future human/alien civilizations' motivations in its postbiological stages. This may have important ramifications for both practical SETI projects and the future (of humanity) studies.

Comments: 17 pages, no figures, accepted in JBIS

Subjects: Astrophysics (astro-ph)

Cite as: arXiv:0805.1821v1 [astro-ph]

Submission history

From: Milan M. Cirkovic [view email]

[v1] Tue, 13 May 2008 10:52:19 GMT (136kb)

http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.1821

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Replies:

POPE and Vatican ENDORSE ET's exist - carl - 5/14/2008 9:46:42 AM
- Just because the pope says something, doesn't necessarily mean it reflects a reality or truth. (n/t) - Jacob - 5/15/2008 6:42:03 AM
  - Did either of you read the original news item? - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 7:36:51 AM
    - Regardless!...Any papal statement should be taken with a grain of salt. (n/t) - Jacob - 5/15/2008 10:35:46 AM
      - Regardless of what? - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 10:48:19 AM
        And I say, regardless!....Moot point!.... So what? (n/t) - Jacob - 5/15/2008 10:52:52 AM
        re: And I say, regardless!....Moot point!.... So what? - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 10:59:37 AM
        OK! ..I understand your perspective. - Jacob - 5/15/2008 12:45:31 PM
- re: POPE and Vatican ENDORSE ET's exist - Lindy - 5/14/2008 1:49:35 PM
  - SORRY ABOUT THAT, Chief!!!! - carl - 5/15/2008 12:09:11 PM
  - Disaster Control - Lindy - 5/14/2008 2:48:52 PM
    - re: Disaster Control - aptly put - Andrew - 5/15/2008 10:46:48 AM
- Not all that new. - TB - 5/14/2008 12:34:39 PM
  - Religious fundamentalists are no fans of alien life - Socrates II - 5/14/2008 1:01:07 PM
    - Few and far between. - TB - 5/14/2008 1:45:32 PM
      - re: Few and far between. - Marcia - 5/15/2008 12:40:31 PM
        re: Few and far between. - FWIW. (n/t) - Marcia - 5/16/2008 3:52:31 PM
      - re: Few and far between. - REB - 5/14/2008 2:57:48 PM
        re: Few and far between. - Socrates II - 5/14/2008 8:02:20 PM
        Well...The SETI crowd have created a religion, even relying on faith to an extent. (n/t) - Jacob - 5/15/2008 6:38:35 AM
        re: Well...The SETI crowd have created a religion, even relying on faith to an extent. - James Brown - 5/15/2008 9:12:47 AM
        Check this word out!... Epistomology....Both science and religion share that word. - Jacob - 5/15/2008 10:51:15 AM
        Well, then... - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 11:03:50 AM
        
        A statment made without merit or knowledge - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 7:56:05 AM
        Then where's the scientific evidence, or proof for SETI's claims? - Jacob - 5/15/2008 10:33:50 AM
        If they had proof of ETI, they wouldn't need to search for them, now would they? - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 10:58:20 AM
        You're right!! - Jacob - 5/15/2008 1:15:53 PM
        I'm glad you are a rebel - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 1:27:58 PM
        
        SETI followers and faith.... Let me give you a definition of faith. - Jacob - 5/15/2008 12:56:12 PM
        re: SETI followers and faith.... Let me give you a definition of faith. - James Brown - 5/15/2008 4:49:03 PM
        
        Thank you - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 1:17:17 PM
- Against the Empire - Socrates II - 5/14/2008 11:22:29 AM
  - Will OUR GOD endorse ET's? - carl - 5/14/2008 12:03:03 PM
    - The Extraterrestrial Sermons - Socrates II - 5/14/2008 1:29:05 PM
  - The Extraterrestrial Life Debate, Antiquity to 1915 - Socrates II - 5/14/2008 11:53:13 AM
    - Creative Writing for Extraterrestrials - Socrates II - 5/15/2008 12:02:16 PM

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