Space Sciences -- HabitableZone

This board will include, with loose interpretation: Space Science & Technology, past, present and future; Fiction, History and Politics with regard to space as well as general aviation. Topics are set by mandate from the board and are subject to change by request of the board at any time. Spit on the floor, call the cat a bastard, and if you need anything e-mail: Justin or Robert

Midnight sun on Mars (Phoenix) - Raoul - 7/23/2008 10:43:06 PM
- The dots don't line up... - nick hoffman - 7/24/2008 4:13:46 AM
  - re: The dots don't line up... - slinted - 7/24/2008 5:16:18 AM

Local Newspaper: Article on my astronomy club in Maryland - Jeff F - 7/23/2008 5:26:56 PM
- Well done! (n/t) - Bowser - 7/24/2008 7:57:01 AM
- Cool - podrock - 7/23/2008 9:02:21 PM
  - Pretty exciting - Jeff F - 7/24/2008 3:12:43 AM
    - TAAS memories. - ER - 7/24/2008 1:18:57 PM

New Russian-European Manned Vehicle... - Adam Crowl - 7/23/2008 2:44:59 AM
- More details... - Adam Crowl - 7/23/2008 3:07:52 AM
- link instead... - Adam Crowl - 7/23/2008 2:55:19 AM
  - With landing gears... - Raoul - 7/23/2008 10:06:48 AM
    - The artwork reminds me... - Adam Crowl - 7/24/2008 1:15:03 PM
    - And no parachutes ?? - Raoul - 7/23/2008 10:51:25 AM
      - bigger issue is no.... - Doug Ellison - 7/24/2008 2:59:18 AM
        Russia's economic growth - Raoul - 7/24/2008 10:38:33 AM
      - Without backup chutes any technical failure would be most unforgiving. (n/t) - Jacob - 7/23/2008 11:12:28 AM
        re: Without chutes - Raoul - 7/23/2008 2:39:39 PM

They NEVER FOUND Missing Tapes from Apollo 11? - carl - 7/22/2008 1:18:06 PM
- Here... - Raoul - 7/22/2008 1:55:11 PM
  - 2 years later and ZIPPPPPPO.. - carl - 7/22/2008 2:36:41 PM
    - Is that important? - Raoul - 7/22/2008 2:53:05 PM
      - 1st of ANYTHING TRES' IMPORTANT! - carl - 7/23/2008 7:44:32 AM
        Gary isn't here any more but... - nick hoffman - 7/24/2008 4:23:27 AM
        NO WAYY!! What are they TRASHING NEXT? - arl - 7/24/2008 12:51:05 PM

Ancient Mars was wet and diverse.... - Marcia - 7/18/2008 8:07:07 PM
- Wet yes, but wet with what? - BRFelix - 7/23/2008 6:27:23 AM
  - re: Wet yes, but wet with what? - Marcia - 7/23/2008 7:37:46 PM
    - re: Wet yes, but wet with what? - Marcia - 7/23/2008 8:25:56 PM
- all still too early - Doug Ellison - 7/19/2008 9:14:00 AM
- Rivers flowed WHEN it rained * - nick hoffman - 7/18/2008 9:43:00 PM
  - re: Rivers flowed WHEN it rained * - Snow does not leave rivers and deltas. (n/t) - Marcia - 7/19/2008 6:29:29 PM
    - except when it melts (n/t) - pwokenyaw - 7/20/2008 8:33:48 PM
      - re: except when it melts. - Lakes, maybe, rivers and deltas, NO. (n/t) - Marcia - 7/21/2008 1:13:43 PM
        Onyx River - pwokenyaw - 7/21/2008 3:40:40 PM
        This is where Mars studies fail - nick hoffman - 7/22/2008 1:31:30 AM
- re: Ancient Mars was wet and diverse.... to Marsbug below: - Marcia - 7/18/2008 8:09:39 PM
  - re: Ancient Mars was wet and diverse.... to Nick... - Marcia - 7/18/2008 8:33:50 PM

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Building your own cat or dog & searching for ET life- Freeman Dyson - phil - 7/23/2008 12:09:49 PM

"Apollo 14 astronaut claims contact" moved to OffTopic - moderite podrock - 7/23/2008 11:00:54 AM

A cliff on Mars (Mars Express) - Raoul - 7/22/2008 10:34:04 PM

A Nowicki thread moved to Off Topic (n/t) - Raoul moderating - 7/22/2008 2:57:26 PM

I guess we shouldn't feel so bad about U.S. science education(Sorry Raoul!) - Robert Clark - 7/22/2008 5:25:48 AM
- This dates back a while and has been widely discussed in french forums (n/t) - Raoul - 7/22/2008 8:17:10 AM
  - re: This dates back a while and has been widely discussed in french forums - Robert Clark - 7/22/2008 10:22:00 AM
    - A noun and a verb - Raoul - 7/22/2008 10:56:22 AM
- It's not just Copernican astronomy - ER - 7/22/2008 6:04:52 AM

Seeking interviews with Phobos experts - JimO - 7/21/2008 1:59:15 PM

Post by Phil deleted at his request. (n/t) - moderite podrock - 7/21/2008 9:04:13 AM

Tycho as never before, by Selene - Raoul - 7/21/2008 1:13:56 AM
- re: Tycho as never before, by Selene - Raoul - 7/21/2008 2:25:45 AM
  - re: Tycho as never before, by Selene - Raoul - 7/21/2008 3:10:22 AM

"NASA eyes buying Japan's cargo spacecraft: report" - Bowser - 7/20/2008 3:18:29 PM
- News - Raoul - 7/21/2008 10:50:28 AM
  - Well that sort of shoots that plan in the butt! Thanks. (n/t) - Bowser - 7/21/2008 11:16:27 AM

39 years ago , now! - Raoul - 7/20/2008 12:04:20 PM
- Been there, done that - carl - 7/21/2008 9:39:23 AM

Jules Verne - Raoul - 7/20/2008 1:28:14 AM
- Gutenberg Project... - Adam Crowl - 7/22/2008 1:30:56 PM

Shenzhou 7 - Raoul - 7/19/2008 3:04:17 PM

News from Phoenix - alcaray - 7/19/2008 11:01:43 AM
- Hope it doesn't short circuit. (n/t) - Jacob - 7/19/2008 11:50:28 AM
  - re: Hope is right and I hope we get some results. - Marcia - 7/19/2008 6:33:28 PM

Is Earth merely a cradle for mankind? - Raoul - 7/19/2008 3:22:45 AM
- space exodus - JEKing - 7/21/2008 4:02:33 PM
- What was the name of the BBC documentary, please? (n/t) - TorrentPhile - 7/20/2008 10:36:18 PM
  - Destiny - Raoul - 7/21/2008 1:26:11 AM
- re: Is Earth merely a cradle for mankind? - ER - 7/20/2008 4:06:07 AM
  - re: Is Earth merely a cradle for mankind? - Yes. - Marcia - 7/21/2008 1:24:41 PM
  - What may survive. - Bowser - 7/20/2008 12:33:18 PM
    - re: Leaving something - Raoul - 7/20/2008 1:47:41 PM
      - I believe it's called "humility". :-) (n/t) - Bowser - 7/20/2008 3:05:18 PM
        re: I believe it's called "humility". :-) - and it can leave a meaning. (n/t) - Marcia - 7/21/2008 8:40:06 PM
- re: Is Earth merely a cradle for mankind? - Pugs - 7/19/2008 10:37:41 PM
  - EARTH a UNIVERSAL SWEET SPOT - carl - 7/23/2008 1:11:20 PM
- re: Is Earth merely a cradle for mankind? - Mr Fibuli - 7/19/2008 8:26:13 PM
- re: Is Earth merely a cradle for mankind? - gbaikie - 7/19/2008 1:19:58 PM
- I wonder if humans are the deadly virus of the cosmos? - Jacob - 7/19/2008 12:04:45 PM
  - According to Jacques Monod we are all alone: - Raoul - 7/19/2008 12:34:15 PM
- Maybe the Earth is an egg. - Lee - 7/19/2008 8:57:03 AM
  - You make it sound like we will become the aliens from Independence Day. (n/t) - alcaray - 7/19/2008 10:23:05 AM
    - Just a thought. - Lee - 7/19/2008 11:12:56 AM
- re: Is Earth merely a cradle for mankind? - Sawyer - 7/19/2008 8:38:10 AM
  - similar to the myth of terraforming - FrankC - 7/19/2008 3:00:55 PM
    - re: similar to the myth of terraforming - Marcia - 7/19/2008 7:06:06 PM
      - could be - FrankC - 7/19/2008 8:29:51 PM
        re: could be - gbaikie - 7/22/2008 2:30:17 PM
        re: could be - FrankC - 7/22/2008 7:40:53 PM
        re: could be - Marcia - 7/21/2008 1:15:58 PM
    - And yet, with 18th century technology... - alcaray - 7/19/2008 6:08:12 PM
  - Planting seeds - Raoul - 7/19/2008 10:45:11 AM
- re: Is Earth merely a cradle for mankind? - marsbug - 7/19/2008 5:37:20 AM

2 Jupiter 232 v Ares1 + Ares5 Comparisons - Raoul - 7/19/2008 1:34:10 AM
- Sorry, but ANY mission that requires 5 co-ordinated launches is a loser - nick hoffman - 7/19/2008 9:16:35 AM
  - In my view. - Lee - 7/19/2008 11:22:39 AM
- The way I understand it. - Lee - 7/19/2008 5:39:06 AM
  - re: More launch pads - Raoul - 7/19/2008 7:05:08 AM
    - re: More launch pads - Lee - 7/19/2008 8:47:31 AM

"Purdue panel finds misconduct by fusion scientist." - Bowser - 7/18/2008 11:53:15 PM
- LONG overdue! - ARRELL - 7/19/2008 12:38:14 AM

Jules Verne visits space - Socrates II - 7/18/2008 10:39:25 PM

Meanwhile, back at home, - "Cern lab goes 'colder than space'". - Bowser - 7/18/2008 10:26:28 PM

The Earth and Moon from 50 Million km (Epoxy) - Raoul - 7/17/2008 10:38:42 PM
- That's, BTW, Moon's Farside! (n/t) - Raoul - 7/19/2008 1:41:12 PM

SELENE detects the halo area around the Apollo 15 landing site - Raoul - 7/17/2008 2:53:38 PM
- I especially like the comparison of the 3D-Terrain model with a real photo - nick hoffman - 7/18/2008 9:50:18 PM
- That's a great set of photos and explanations. Thanks. (n/t) - Bowser - 7/18/2008 7:39:24 AM
- Great Hi-Def Photos - phil - 7/18/2008 6:11:35 AM

Phylosillicates on mars - marsbug - 7/17/2008 6:19:32 AM
- OK, so can we agree that Mars has been dead for 3.8 Ga? - nick hoffman - 7/17/2008 7:25:49 AM
  - Evidence for life on earth more than 3.8b years ago - pwokenyaw - 7/18/2008 8:37:12 PM
    - re: Evidence for life on earth more than 3.8b years ago - marsbug - 7/19/2008 10:11:56 AM
  - re: OK, so can we agree that Mars has been dead for 3.8 Ga? - marsbug - 7/18/2008 6:17:09 AM
    - Yes... - marsbug - 7/18/2008 6:25:23 AM
      - Agreed, still sporadic volcanism and many small flows - nick hoffman - 7/18/2008 10:14:10 PM
  - Even in the Noachian, mostly dry - dtb - 7/17/2008 7:20:48 PM
    - This was one of the points I raised in my "ephemeral atmospheres" work - nick hoffman - 7/18/2008 9:33:44 PM
    - Gullies mostly dry too (other Howard talk) - dtb - 7/17/2008 7:30:06 PM
  - Wouldn't fossiles last a lot longer on a "dead" world, though? (n/t) - alcaray - 7/17/2008 2:17:15 PM
    - Probably - dtb - 7/18/2008 6:46:14 AM
  - Geologically recent sulfate deposits in Mars north polar regions. - Robert Clark - 7/17/2008 8:26:23 AM

hmmm... - E.P. - 7/16/2008 1:47:34 PM

YOUR contribution to the space program - phil - 7/16/2008 1:36:54 PM
- We can put a man on the moon - FrankC - 7/16/2008 10:48:15 PM

The EADS-Astrium company indicated it could do "big' things. - Jacob - 7/16/2008 11:37:16 AM
- Languages - Raoul - 7/16/2008 12:16:34 PM
  - Merci - E.P. - 7/16/2008 1:27:29 PM

Solar ECLIPSE on AUG !st, 2008 - carl - 7/16/2008 9:13:28 AM
- re: Novosibirsk!! - Raoul - 7/16/2008 9:55:58 AM

Public opinion on space - dtb - 7/16/2008 8:52:12 AM
- Never asking the right question - E.P. - 7/16/2008 10:33:03 AM
  - re: Never asking the right question - phil - 7/16/2008 11:08:16 AM

Returning back from space... - Raoul - 7/16/2008 8:28:18 AM

I'm getting a sense that all is not right with Phoenix - Bowser - 7/15/2008 9:40:08 PM
- re: I'm getting a sense that all is not right with Phoenix - pb - 7/17/2008 2:20:16 AM
  - (gasp) - James Brown - 7/17/2008 6:33:12 PM
  - Thanks. I hope you're right. (n/t) - Bowser - 7/17/2008 8:01:44 AM

A new name for a newly discovered world - Raoul - 7/15/2008 5:42:25 AM
- re: A new name for a newly discovered world - Mark Eby - 7/15/2008 8:08:23 PM
- re: A new name for a newly discovered world - James Brown - 7/15/2008 9:45:09 AM
  - Pronounced Makee-makee - Raoul - 7/15/2008 2:00:04 PM
    - Naming planets after gods - Buck Galaxy - 7/15/2008 3:56:17 PM
      - Someday they'll run out - Robert - 7/15/2008 4:18:06 PM
        There's already a planet Bob. [mild spoiler alert] - alcaray - 7/16/2008 11:25:35 AM
        Never saw it - Robert - 7/16/2008 2:52:56 PM
        Bob - FrankC - 7/15/2008 9:28:54 PM
        He's smoking a hash pipe. (n/t) - ER - 7/16/2008 5:51:01 PM
        "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" (n/t) - podrock - 7/16/2008 7:07:08 PM
        I magritte my teeth. (n/t) - ER - 7/17/2008 7:31:15 AM
        Treacherous ! (n/t) - podrock - 7/17/2008 5:45:30 PM
        I just got it! - ER - 7/18/2008 7:31:09 AM
        Slack! (n/t) - Robert - 7/16/2008 8:22:01 AM
      - Pronounced "hey seuss" (n/t) - Robert - 7/15/2008 4:00:29 PM

Ares & Orion Problems? - phil - 7/15/2008 5:21:28 AM
- Meanwhile Inside NASA, Engrs Working on an Unapproved Alternative to ARES - phil - 7/15/2008 11:22:31 AM
  - Direct You're right - Raoul - 7/16/2008 10:35:24 AM
    - Not obvious - nick hoffman - 7/17/2008 4:45:17 AM
      - But it's Not smaller - phil - 7/17/2008 6:10:51 AM
        A design - Raoul - 7/17/2008 2:32:33 PM
        In this game one has to be very very clear about WHAT is being compared to WHAT - nick hoffman - 7/17/2008 7:35:39 AM
        Yes, and it's not simple - phil - 7/17/2008 9:03:59 AM
  - I think some folks inside NASA have been listening to you, Phil. [wink] (n/t) - Jacob - 7/16/2008 10:01:44 AM
    - Gawd help them! - phil - 7/16/2008 11:07:22 AM
  - Jupiter - Robert - 7/15/2008 4:43:10 PM
    - re: Jupiter - phil - 7/16/2008 5:32:44 AM
    - Direct seems much more realistic. - Lee - 7/15/2008 5:22:30 PM
  - Cheaper, easier and safer.....How? - Raoul - 7/15/2008 2:18:45 PM
    - re: Cheaper, easier and safer.....How? Read the PDF page 11 - phil - 7/16/2008 9:25:07 AM
      - Here's how it worked - E.P. - 7/16/2008 11:12:07 AM

COROT Banner Ads & Advanced Civs - phil - 7/14/2008 5:40:43 AM

Earth's Core, Magnetic Field Changing Fast - Eric - 7/13/2008 4:56:49 PM
- Can anyone quantify "fast"? - ER - 7/14/2008 1:01:01 PM

Observing nature - Raoul - 7/13/2008 1:24:30 PM

Does the Oort Cloud actually exist? - Jacob - 7/13/2008 12:05:01 PM
- re: Does the Oort Cloud actually exist? - pb - 7/14/2008 2:06:52 AM
  - re: Does the Oort Cloud actually exist? - Marcia - 7/15/2008 9:31:58 PM
- Good question... - phil - 7/13/2008 3:15:12 PM
  - re: Good question... - Marcia - 7/13/2008 9:32:32 PM
- re: Does the Oort Cloud actually exist? - TB - 7/13/2008 3:02:38 PM
  - That's nice, but... - Jacob - 7/13/2008 7:06:34 PM
    - Crime Scene - nick hoffman - 7/14/2008 3:55:58 AM
    - re: That's nice, but... - Marcia - 7/13/2008 9:58:47 PM
- Before you carry on... - Adam Crowl - 7/13/2008 1:00:10 PM
  - Without direct visual evidence you have at best, a wishful hypothesis; at worst, a myth...A science myth; but a myth just the same.. (n/t) - Jacob - 7/13/2008 1:03:37 PM
    - Kuyper belt objects Oort cloud - Raoul - 7/13/2008 1:32:54 PM
      - I'll believe it when I see it. - Jacob - 7/13/2008 7:11:19 PM
        Then where do we get long period comets from??? - Adam Crowl - 7/13/2008 11:44:58 PM
        HZ members don't "believe" in Long Period Comets - E.P. - 7/14/2008 1:29:38 PM
        re: ---- Yes they do. - Look it up;1111 - Marcia - 7/15/2008 9:37:33 PM
        So much for cynicism - E.P. - 7/18/2008 11:56:22 AM
- Then you need to explain the comets with orbits... - alcaray - 7/13/2008 12:24:37 PM
  - The burdeon of proof falls on the those who love the Ooort Cloud theory. - Jacob - 7/13/2008 1:00:17 PM
    - not exactly, the burden is to Offer a BETTER theory - nick hoffman - 7/14/2008 3:33:08 AM
      - Nick's right - TB - 7/14/2008 8:45:25 AM
        re: Nick's right - Jacob - 7/15/2008 6:50:08 AM
        For the same reason they're indetectable around Sol... - Adam Crowl - 7/15/2008 11:40:19 PM
        Nice to have confidence in what may come, but that sounds like f-a-i-t-h.. - Jacob - 7/16/2008 10:00:03 AM
        I haven't seen macroevolution... - Adam Crowl - 7/19/2008 1:23:58 AM
        Jan Oort just called - Socrates II - 7/18/2008 8:59:32 PM
    - I directed your attention to evidence. (n/t) - alcaray - 7/13/2008 1:13:07 PM
      - Well, I tried to, anyway. (n/t) - alcaray - 7/13/2008 1:14:22 PM
        You're trying to indicate that the Oort Cloud theory explains a lot? - Jacob - 7/13/2008 7:21:04 PM
        It is not impossible that a better solution might somehow be found for the evidence at hand. - alcaray - 7/13/2008 7:41:09 PM
    - Sigh! ...I love the absence of an [edit] icon on this website. (n/t) - Jacob - 7/13/2008 1:07:19 PM
      - Does Jacob actually exist? - Socrates II - 7/14/2008 5:31:40 PM
        How can we determine if Jacob exists? - ARRELL - 7/15/2008 11:40:50 AM
        ROTFLMAO!! (n/t) - Jacob - 7/16/2008 9:56:38 AM
        The name is still popular. ;-) (n/t) - Jacob - 7/15/2008 6:36:36 AM

Language...So Easy a Caveman Coud Do It? - phil - 7/13/2008 11:20:44 AM
- :) Apparently not! 'Coud' you elaborate? - ARRELL - 7/13/2008 11:28:36 AM
  - re: :) Apparently not! 'Coud' you elaborate? - phil - 7/13/2008 3:06:57 PM

Shostak speaks tonight - James Brown - 7/12/2008 5:30:25 PM
- ...and here is what he said - James Brown - 7/14/2008 12:14:53 AM
  - Don't forget Optical SETI - Socrates II - 7/14/2008 5:37:04 PM

This latest discovery of tiny amounts of water in Lunar samples; how practical is it? - Jacob - 7/12/2008 12:56:54 PM
- That should be 500 tons, not 5,000. (n/t) - Jacob - 7/12/2008 5:08:53 PM

Jupiter: the third red spot got swallowed up by the big one! - Raoul - 7/12/2008 11:39:41 AM

David Brin (SF writer) Warns Against Active SETI - phil - 7/12/2008 5:49:33 AM
- Comments make it abundantly clear... - phil - 7/13/2008 5:59:54 PM
  - I agree with Brin - Marsby - 7/15/2008 7:43:42 PM
  - My first thought... - McFly - 7/13/2008 7:01:41 PM
  - But - alcaray - 7/13/2008 6:22:48 PM
- If we have something they want, and it is easy for them to get here.... - alcaray - 7/13/2008 11:28:44 AM
- Serious dialog? - James Brown - 7/12/2008 5:36:14 PM
- Brin has a good point - TB - 7/12/2008 10:03:14 AM
  - Remarkable observation - Robert - 7/12/2008 11:22:55 AM
    - re: Remarkable observation - TB - 7/12/2008 9:53:44 PM
      - re: Remarkable observation - Robert - 7/14/2008 10:17:40 AM
        I'll drop a short post over in "Off-Topic" (n/t) - TB - 7/14/2008 1:18:26 PM
- A mirror of our own society - Raoul - 7/12/2008 9:08:02 AM
  - There is no need to discuss this any further - ER - 7/12/2008 12:26:23 PM
  - re: A mirror of our own society - JEKing - 7/12/2008 9:21:47 AM

Moonbat Science? - phil - 7/10/2008 12:47:30 PM
- Same garbage they have been peddaling for about a decade at least - ARRELL - 7/10/2008 1:31:55 PM
  - re: Same garbage they have been peddaling for about a decade at least - phil - 7/11/2008 6:35:12 AM
    - The same people have been peddling the Tokamak for the past 50 years. (n/t) - Lee - 7/11/2008 4:04:23 PM
    - Let them knock themselves out. - TB - 7/11/2008 10:55:14 AM
      - The unorthodox researcvhers have already hit upon something that needs deeper research. - Jacob - 7/12/2008 12:44:08 PM